Christian Order

Does anyone subscribe to Christian Order out of Great Britain? I am wondering if they are worth $50/year.

I’ve read some great articles from that publication. My bet is that it is worth the money.

It seems from their articles that their zeal is a bit bitter–as St. Pius X said, that asperity does more harm than good (E Supremi, 13). During various crises in the Church, there have been those who fall into that trap. The saints, on the other hand, maintain their composure. For example, during the rise of Protestantism, the polemics got really nasty–but St. Peter Canisius (among others) stand out with their ability to defend Catholic truth and refute errors in a calm, charitable manner–mild, but firm.

Fight all error, but do it with good humor, patience, kindness, and love. Harshness will damage your own soul and spoil the best cause. -Saint John Cantius

I would not spend money on it for that reason. Plus, just looking at their article on Eastern Orthodoxy shows they are just somewhat reactionary which causes them to stray from tradition a bit. What they are saying completely contradicts the traditional approach that Pope Leo XIII used–he said all they needed to accept was papal authority in order ot achieve a proper re-union.

I would be cautious simply because of some of the links they provide.

Yes, I am subscribed.

It is a wholly Catholic publication. And loyal to the Holy See.

If it were not, it would not get advertised in the British Catholic Herald.

That’s a good point. Becoming bitter over the state of the Church is certainly a danger, and we should try our best not to fall into it. It is pretty rare in today’s crisis to find someone who remains completely calm in their resistance of liberalism. Probably one of the best examples of one remaining very calm and reasonable in his writings against the present error is Archbishop Levebvre - one of the few prelates who remained faithfull during the liberal/modernist crisis of our day.

Or the Servant of God Pope John Paul II.

Not really. He went off the deep end and began calling the Pope an antichrist. His main problem was a lack of patience and trust in God’s providence. His sin of conserating bishops illicitly was completely due to impatience–which is the root of a bitter zeal. The quote by St. Robert in my signature puts it nicely. Compare his impatience with the patience of St. Basil in a similar situation.

Likewise, if you read his open letter, it is riddled with a kind of paranoia. Read his account of the Council and then read other accounts, from people like Fulton Sheen and others. It’s like being in a dark room and seeing all the scary shadows on the wall, only to throw on the light and see they are thrown by nothing sinister at all.

He fell into the trap that was an unfortunate side-effect of the necessary medicine against Modernism. Due to the threat of Moderism, the authentic development of doctrine, or as Pius XII calls it, the “progress of the sacred doctrine”–had to be pretty much halted. Sadly, this caused many faithful Catholics to view all things that seemed new with suspicion.

Lefebrve talks in his open letter how he missed something by being in Africa–he implies it was a Modernist conspiracy. What he actually missed, however, was Pius XII re-invigorating the authentic blossoming of Church doctrine that had become stagnant in the face of Modernism. Sadly, many people, such as the Archbishop did not heed Pope Pius’ words:

"all moreover should abhor that intemperate zeal which imagines that whatever is new should for that very reason be opposed or suspected. "

Here is a good article that shows what I mean:

Likewise, because of this suspicion, people like Lefebrve abandoned the role of the theologian, who according to Pius XII:

“it belongs to them to point out how the doctrine of the living Teaching Authority is to be found either explicitly or implicitly in the Scriptures and in Tradition.”

Instead of doing so, they did the exact opposite, and because of their hermeneutic of suspicion, instead attempted to show how everything was in error–this is not the traditional approach at all.

Here is a great article which shows how people can come to the wrong conclusions when the seek to show magisterial teaching as error rather than truth:

Please return to the original topic or I will close the thread. Thank you.


Are you allowed to comment as a Moderator? If so, I’m curious if you subscribe to any traditional Catholic magazines. Do you recommend any in particular?

thanks! :thumbsup:

I do not comment as a Moderator because it keeps me objective in my duties. However, this is subject is neutral enough for me to make this one response.

I recommend Gilbert!, the magazine of the American Chesterton Society, which no one else has mentioned and is well worth the price.