Those that say that (I am assuming that they are not all Croats) of course are not shy about solving that “problem” by the sword, as the facts connected with your comments below show.
True. Nazis killed a lot of people, but watch your words because Catholics were not involved in the killing.
I am quite sure not all were involved with the killing, but no one in communion with the Vatican? No, the facts do not bear that up.
The same can not be said of the Communist that took power later and their relation to the Orthodox.
Tito was Croatian-Slovene, neither of which are majority Orthodox. Tito broke up Serbia, promoting the Hungarians in Vojvodina (14% of the population) and the Albanians in Kosovo (I remember in the early 90’s seeing a documentary on EWTN on the crypto-Catholics in Kosovo, who pretend to be Muslim. Why is that?:rolleyes: ), and re-dividing Montenegro from Serbia (renaming its capital “Titograd”) and created “Muslim” as a nationality, to separate Bosnia from Serbia (the majority of Bosnia were never Muslims, and the Muslims who didn’t want an Islamic state, as Izzetbegovic was preaching, sided with the Serbs. The largest community in BiH were the Orthodox Serbs, until the Ustaše changed the demographics, and even then, the Serbs were only just behind the Boniacs).
The Vatican did the right thing there. Croatia should not be controled by Serbia nor should Catholics have orthodox supressing us.
When the newly minted Croatian state started renaming streets and public squares after Ustaše, it was clear who was going to be oppressing whom.
Btw, on that:
Alperin v. Vatican Bank was originally filed in Federal Court in San Francisco in November 1999. The plaintiffs are concentration camp survivors of Serb, Jewish, and Ukrainian background and their relatives as well as organizations representing over 300,000 Holocaust victims and their heirs.
The plaintiffs seek an accounting and restitution of the Ustasha Treasury that **according to the US State Department ** was illicitly transferred to the Vatican, the Franciscan Order and other banks after the end of the war. The claims against the Vatican has been dismissed and is now on appeal, the claim against the Franciscans goes on.state.gov/www/regions/eur/rpt_9806_ng_ustasha.pdf
Little history about Dalmatia for you, It was a Latin speaking Roman territory when the Slavs first came.
And long after: Romanian is not the only Romance language in the Balkans. The Emperors Constantine (builder of Constanitnople, caller of the First Ecumenical Council) and Justinian (caller of the Fifth Ecumenical Council and codifier of Roman law at Constantinople into the Justinian Code) came from the area (actually further inland, in Serbia), as well as Diocletian, last (not counting Julian the Apostate) of the persecuting emperors. Diocletian was Greek, but Constantine and Justianian were Latin. The Latin used in the “Passion of the Christ” seems to reflect that dialect, from which most troops at the time were coming from.
It is true that the Byzantines went into Slav territory to convert them but in Dalmatia it was the Slav coming into Latin territory and being converted. The Latin Rite was already established there. Then the mojority of the population became Slavonic speaking the Pope allowed the Roman rite to be translated into Slavonic and that tradition has continued ever since.
There is the texts that state that the Duke Porin who accepted the emperor Heraclius’ invitation from Constantinople to settle in the region and accept Christianity (in its Eastern form, it would seem). But, you are correct, Rome had a deep presence there already, and seems to have translated the texts after the refugees from Moravia arrived (Cyril and Methodius already had evangelized neighboring Pannonia, present day Croatia and Slovenia and elsewhere, and made it a center for the spread of that liturgy before the Franks suppressed it there too) with the Eastern Slavonic rite. As Archbishop of Sirmium, St. Methodius had Croatia in his diocese. He was later, however forbidden the Slavonic Eastern liturgy by Rome.
Also please note that Poland had the same option as the Croats did but choose to have all priest say Mass in Latin.
Can you provide some backup to this, as the conversion took place because of the marriage of Msieszko I to a Czech, and allied with the “Holy Roman Empire.” The Saxons were busy with the Drang nach Osten, the Germans had already supressed the Slavoinic Eastern Rite and impossed the Latin and filioque. Under these circumstances I find it highly unlikely that Poland was given a choice.
The Patroness of Poland, of course, Our Lady of Częstochowa (obviously an Eastern Icon: I had the privledge of venerating her during the Communist era), came from Jerusalem via New Rome Constantinople and the Ukraine.
What does this tell us, that of all the languages out there, the Catholic Church can say Mass in potentially any of them. The orthodox have said over and over again that they will never say liturgy in Latin, no matter what. They restrict themselves from it.
My priest says the priests prayers (and the hours) in Latin all the time. I’ve been to a Western Rite Orthodox Divine Liturgy, parts of which were in Latin. I pray the Angelus in Latin. There is a whole Autocephalous Church, Romania, whose liturgical language is the closest to Latin. I’m not aware of any Orthodox problem with a Latin liturgy (if the people speak it). How are you?