I have to be honest, when Pope Francis ventures into politics and declares that “World Government must rule U.S. for their own good,” - that scares me. That is such a radical statement to make.
Nothing good will come from forcing countries to be ruled by only one government. That sort of governance will rule absolutely. It will have all the power. Countries have different cultures and should not be ruled by a one-fit-all government.
Why is the Pope drawing the attention to only to the U.S., and not to Russia, or the middle eastern countries, or China? I know it has to do with the immigration issue. But look what unlimited immigration is doing to the western countries that have allowed it.
I tried to find another source that would be reporting what the Pope had said. Maybe this news item just barely came out and other media have not yet caught up with it. I don’t know - just guessing. All I could find is the following source, who seemed to agree with the Pope.
The language in these articles are hinky at best, misleading at worst.
How people treat the poor and vulnerable sounds exactly like something a religious leader should talk about. Popes have weighed into nation’s policy regarding abortion, euthanasia, and same-sex unions. Why not this too? This seems just as faith-and-morals-y as the other two topics.
And I said it before, I’ll say it again. I love Pope Francis. Things like this only make me admire him more. He’s pro-life through all stages of life, not just pre-birth and at the end. And he’s not afraid to tell it like it is. He’s the hard-hitting priest who tells his congregation what they need to hear, not what will please the church ladies at the coffee social afterwards.
Yes, I just went back to read those comments too. I expect this thread should be closed soon.
I support the more lenient view CAF has taken with what is posted and it is probably a good thing that CAF posters can discuss the merits of each news item. I think we all can be deceived at least momentarily, especially if the linked news text is in a different language.
The Trumpet article seems rather anti-Catholic. It posits that Pius XII was in bed with Hitler and that the Holocaust would not have happened without the full cooperation of the Church. It does not seem to agree with the Pope so much as to seem to “give the devil his due” (more literally than figuratively, I would imagine).
Which is unsurprising, given it is an organ of the Philadelphia Church of God.
PCG is decidedly Armstrongist and non-Trinitarian in its theology:
The Philadelphia Church of God (PCG) is an international church based in Edmond, Oklahoma, USA. The PCG traces its roots to the Worldwide Church of God (WCG), founded by Herbert W. Armstrong (1892–1986), and it teaches new revelation that its founder, Gerald Flurry, claims to be shown by God from the Bible since Armstrong’s death. It was founded with the stated purpose of continuing Armstrong’s teachings, which were re-evaluated and subsequently rejected by WCG after Armstrong’s death, as it came to accept Biblically orthodox Christian teachings, such as the trinity (the triune nature of the one true God). Armstrong had rejected the trinity doctrine in favor of his own view, that God is not one but multiple ‘god beings’ (i.e. a ‘family’ of gods) into which ‘family’ according to Armstrong, humans, “upon true conversion and spiritual growth”, may be born.
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Pope Francis’s idea that Americans would be better off under a world government doesn’t stop there. The radical leftist pontiff also went on record stating that Europe should become one country under one government.
*“The radical leftist pontiff…” * - Ad hominem. BOOM! Fake News. Period. Learn to spot it folks!
If contributors to this forum are too dim to spot a fake news site (probably Russian) when they see it, then I can only hope the moderators at CAF are smart enough to take down threads that distort the truth by feeding into right-wing libertarian or autocratic propaganda.
“Furthermore, nobody else should compose or edit writings or tracts against the most holy pope of old Rome, on the pretext of making incriminating charges, as Photius did recently and Dioscorus a long time ago. Whoever shows such great arrogance and audacity, after the manner of Photius and Dioscorus, and makes false accusations in writing or speech against the see of Peter, the chief of the apostles, let him receive a punishment equal to theirs.”
There is none, the Pope didn’t say this. I have read the original interview in full and the only supranational “government” it refers to is the EU:
Scalfari: I too, have often thought about this problem and I have arrived at the conclusion that, not only for but also for this reason, Europe must assume as soon as possible a federal government and a federal parliament, not from individual confederated countries. You yourself have raised this topic many times, and have even spoken of it in the European parliament.
Pope Francis: It’s true, I’ve raised this many times.
Scalfari: And you received great applause and even standing ovations.
Pope Francis: Yes, that’s so, but unfortunately that doesn’t mean much. They will do that if they figure out the truth: either Europe becomes a federal community or it won’t count for anything in the world.
There is no mention, at all, of any ‘world government’ that must rule America ‘for its own good’. It was a conversation about European federalism in the context of the EU.
Fake news, pure and simple.
For some bizarre reason, these online commentators in the States have twisted the meaning of the original text and applied comments about Europe to America and, of course, “globalism” - that much vaunted, fantasy scapegoat for the American hard-right.
I don’t know about this particular issue - but there are multiple headlines over the last couple years where Pope Francis is hinting or suggesting a World Government or World Order in the name of environmental issues and possibly other topics (I didn’t go in depth in them all).
Disturbing words for a religious leader. I really don’t want the pope to focus on global warming, his job is “eternal warming” issues.
I hope we get clarification from a better source on this statement.
If the Catholic Church is a boat, there are too many leaning on the left side of the boat.
**175. The same mindset which stands in the way of making radical decisions to reverse the trend of global warming also stands in the way of achieving the goal of eliminating poverty. A more responsible overall approach is needed to deal with both problems: the reduction of pollution and the development of poorer countries and regions.
The twenty-first century, while maintaining systems of governance inherited from the past, is witnessing a weakening of the power of nation states, chiefly because the economic and financial sectors, being transnational, tends to prevail over the political.
Given this situation, it is essential to devise stronger and more efficiently organized international institutions, with functionaries who are appointed fairly by agreement among national governments, and empowered to impose sanctions**.
In this, Pope Francis is no different from Pope Benedict XVI, his predecessor, who called for such the legal establishment of a world political authority focused on the common good to oversee, among other tasks within its remit, environmental protection in his 2009 encyclical:
To manage the global economy; to revive economies hit by the crisis; to avoid any deterioration of the present crisis and the greater imbalances that would result; to bring about integral and timely disarmament, food security and peace;** to guarantee the protection of the environment and to regulate migration: for all this, there is urgent need of a true world political authority, as my predecessor Blessed John XXIII indicated some years ago***. Such an authority would need to be regulated by law, to observe consistently the principles of subsidiarity and solidarity, to seek to establish the common good, and to make a commitment to securing authentic integral human development inspired by the values of charity in truth. Furthermore, such an authority would need to be universally recognized and to be vested with the effective power to ensure security for all, regard for justice, and respect for rights.
Obviously it would have to have the authority to ensure compliance with its decisions from all parties, and also with the coordinated measures adopted in various international forums. Without this, despite the great progress accomplished in various sectors, international law would risk being conditioned by the balance of power among the strongest nations. The integral development of peoples and international cooperation require the establishment of a greater degree of international ordering, marked by subsidiarity, for the management of globalization. They also require the construction of a social order that at last conforms to the moral order, to the interconnection between moral and social spheres, and to the link between politics and the economic and civil spheres, as envisaged by the Charter of the United Nations.
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