Question for Calvinists

Why is it more difficult for rich man to enter heaven?

He’s Catholic. :smiley:

Is that your final answer?

Should I find a less difficult question for you?

I don’t think it’s possible for you to find a less difficult question for me. :smiley: :rotfl:

If you were trying to be charitable or helpful, that may have been lost in translation. Perhaps you might be more effective in convincing us of your beliefs if you took a different strategy.

God bless

This is not about charity, but humor. :smiley:

You have stated your case.

In the context of Christ’s encounter, it’s because his desire was more for keeping his riches, then it was for following Christ.

I agree.

This appears to be a condition of election, don’t you agree?

If we choose the world over Christ we are at risk of losing salvation.

Since this difficulty is greater for a rich man, we can assume that all of us must need to make choices.

Either we respond to God’s grace or we reject it.

If Calvinism were true, it would not matter if a man was rich or poor, his salvation would be determined by factors other than his condition or behavior on earth.

Excellent point.

(although can I admit to laughing at Sandusky’s post… “he’s catholic” - that was a funny response)


True enough.

I think he meant what he said and wasn’t just trying to be funny. I can see the humor in what he said, but I’m not sure it’s something we should try to find funny. Issues of salvation are no laughing matter.

This is something the Lord has been working with me on too. Somehow I don’t think God was amused.

Maybe I’m wrong?

With these words of yours, it makes me wonder about my finding the video on my post “Baby Got Book” funny. Let me know your thoughts, please!


God obviously isn’t prejudiced against one simply because they have money, so this doesn’t apply simply and exclusively to all who have material wealth. The man who puts materialism above God, will have a hard time pleasing God, and fulfilling the requirements Christ laid out on which all the law and prophets were based. A camel can’t let his hump down to go through a small opening in the wall, and so someone who is attached to material things above God won’t detach, be humble and love God above all. You don’t have to have great material wealth to have this wrong priority, as it can be anyone. Someone who has little can hold it above God. Someone who has a lot of material wealth can count it as nothing compared to God, and still seek Him first, loving Him above all, listening to His Word as it was intended, and contributing toward feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, etc.

We know that pride may also get in the way. Some who are very proud of their own interpretations, may refuse to be humble enough to listen to the infallible truth taught by God’s Church, and to do what God asks of us.

Those who are humble, and put God first, listening to those sent by Christ into the world to continue His mission will do well. Those who received the Apostles and receive their successors, then also receive Christ; and he who receives Christ, receives Him who sent Christ.

I suppose if I thought there was any truth to it whatsoever, I wouldn’t have laughed. I doubt the poster was being serious … :shrug:

No. If it were, then it would be a condition of salvation, and someone who’s unsaved could read what Christ has said, and do it, thereby making it a precondition of salvation which we both reject.

Furthermore, if it were a condition of salvation, then none of us will be saved as none of us has divested himself of all of his wealth, and gone wandering the highways and byways proclaiming the Gospel as evidenced by the fact that we are, most of us anyway, sitting in the comfort of our homes, corresponding via the internet with one another, and each aspect of that we are paying for out of the wealth God has given to each of us.

Assumes that “we” are all saved, and begs the question: can those who are saved lose salvation—I think not.

You’re “universalizing” the encounter by attempting to apply it to everyone, when Christ’s words were directed to the young man.

None the epistles explaining salvation make the total give-away of one’s wealth a condition of salvation.

It doesn’t matter, and that is because, as scripture states, if one is wealthy (and this applies to both the wicked and the righteous), it’s not because of what that one has done, but because of what God has done.

It doesn’t matter, and that is because, as scripture states, if one is wealthy (and this applies to both the wicked and the righteous), it’s not because of what that one has done, but because of what God has done.

The question is not “How do I become wealthy?”

The question is:

Why did Jesus say that is is more difficult for a rich man to get to heaven?

You can’t answer without refuting your Calvinist dogma.

You cherry-pick my posts, in the same way that you cherry-pick scripture.

Are my other points too much for you? Is that why you ignore them?

You make no sense.

Answer the question if you can.

I have no idea what other points you are referring to.

Are you saying becoming rich or not becoming rich is a precondition of salvation? Please explain.

Jesus was not speaking about this particular person alone when he said:

23Then Jesus said to his disciples, “I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”

You attempt to change the meaning because it conflicts with your dogma.

You shouldn’t do that!:cool:

Have fun jerking people around CHESTERTON. :frowning: