I just wanted to start out with a ‘thank you’ for all of your polite and thoughtful responses. This is exactly what I was looking for, people who aren’t seeming like they’re trying to recruit, but have a good conversation and pose viewpoints intelligently about topics I have no other venue in life to have.
Yes, now my family knows my current viewpoint on religion, each to their own degree of what I have talked with them about it. But, there is no misunderstanding that I do not believe in jesus or god as they do, it is still something they discuss with me quite often. My grandmother, whom I feel taught me what my morality is, didn’t know. But, my living immediate family does and I don’t lie to them about it.
As far as my grandmother goes, she was very religious, and I didn’t think I could have a conversation with her about my lack of belief without making her feel terrible, so I had lied to her and said I had still went to church and followed the beliefs and such until her dying day. I just couldn’t rationalize hurting her feelings so, and never brought it up as an argument.
Thank you for the (name removed by moderator)ut, I am having a bit of a conflict with my wife about home schooling. From my experience, I had found that the schooling I was recipient to in catholic grade school was sub-standard to say the least. My school day consisted of:
2.)recess 30 min
5.)an hour of learning non religious things
7.)church based instruction
9.)reading religious literature
and then being released to buses to go home.
I was in kindergarten in public school, went to catholic school, and in second grade tested as the highest level of learning in the entire school, 1st through 6th. I was then summarily sent to a catholic psychologist, at times through the school day which separated me from the usually normal development of childhood interaction, where I was the weird kid who left class to see if he’s crazy.
There was so little actual learning, I knew something was wrong at the age of eight. An eight year old shouldn’t have a want for less recreation time.
I want to home school my kids, I just worry about the social interaction aspect of what school has to offer that I can’t provide in home school.
In summary on this topic, I am afraid of what public and private school will do to my kid(s), and what the alternative would do to their ability to socially interact with the rest of humanity (if that is even a worthwhile concern, based on what humanity is at this time).
I do not plan to raise my children with a laissez-faire attitude. I have lived the majority of my adult life without god and jesus, without the promise or threat of damnation or salvation, and have gone through my life doing things that are good and right, to save and help others I do not know or relate to. What I’m looking for, honestly, is an arguement I can make to them to use the structure of catholicism when they become adults. I have a hard time finding a definitive reason to use this religious methodology to teach wrong and right to a kid in honesty and be able to defend it when they grow to adulthood. And this basically gets to the point of why I posted on this board. I saw quite a large number of people to discuss things with, of not just catholic beliefs, and get their viewpoints. I promise you, if nothing else, I will never take a passive approach in their development as a human being. My actual concern in regards to your response, is that you sound as if you failed the children who didn’t end up believing in catholicism. Please don’t feel pity or feel a sense of failure as a parent because of it, for quite a lot of people, religion is a hard pill to swallow. And if its of any benefit, if I hadn’t felt like it was shoved down my throat as a child, I would probably still believe in god and jesus if I felt like I had some choice in the matter.
to chipeto -
Your first response:
I saw your link to the $30 book, which I am not going to buy to have a discussion with you about. As far as your differentiation of the idea of religion and ethics, I think you are being conveniently exclusive, where religion should be at least an allegory of the ethics their respective peoples should live life by. So on that part, I don't know what this separation you are assuming really gets to. Your following quote seems to speak to the idea that I am not assuming responsibility for the impressions I will incur on my children, which is totally wrong. My concern, which you quoted from my initial post, was not that I would take a passive stance in the development of my children, but that I wanted to use some methodology that would be easy for them to understand. It may be that the way I worded it seemed to be that, as that was a previously held opinion of another poster before you, but I assure you I will have a very active role in teaching the difference between what wrong and right is. I also want to note, from the second quotation that you referenced, that I do assume total responsibility for the development and education of my children, and do absolutely not assume it will happen without my influence, intended or not, and will contribute to what makes them the person/people that they come to be.