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who here is sick of hearing the morality behind a film which has heavily immoral content? my most hated example of this a clockwork orange, it is said to be moral but the sex and nudity it has stays in ur mind forever, and for me this had led me into serious/mortal sin many times- just because of the thoughts in my head inspired by that film, I’m ashamed to say scenes of rape from that film sometimes even lurk as a fantasy in my head and consqeuently arouse me often, how can such a movie be called moral? It probably wasn’t Kubrick’s intention of course, but does that make it a moral film, deifinately not, at the time it was released, the film even isnpired acts of crime and rape, and made it OK for movies to have more sexual conent.
I pray for Kubrick’s soul, especially after dying just having made another very immoral film, Eyes Wide Shut.
It’s interesting though, the author of the book on which the film was based hated the film, and I believe disowned his book too, he even wrote it whilst drunk- and he is the co-screenwriter of ‘Jesus of Nazareth’! So I think he’s a good guy, God bless him, hope I’m not wrong.
 
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who here is sick of hearing the morality behind a film which has heavily immoral content? my most hated example of this a clockwork orange, it is said to be moral but the sex and nudity it has stays in ur mind forever, and for me this had led me into serious/mortal sin many times- just because of the thoughts in my head inspired by that film, I’m ashamed to say scenes of rape from that film sometimes even lurk as a fantasy in my head and consqeuently arouse me often, how can such a movie be called moral? It probably wasn’t Kubrick’s intention of course, but does that make it a moral film, deifinately not, at the time it was released, the film even isnpired acts of crime and rape, and made it OK for movies to have more sexual conent.
I pray for Kubrick’s soul, especially after dying just having made another very immoral film, Eyes Wide Shut.
It’s interesting though, the author of the book on which the film was based hated the film, and I believe disowned his book too, he even wrote it whilst drunk- and he is the co-screenwriter of ‘Jesus of Nazareth’! So I think he’s a good guy, God bless him, hope I’m not wrong.
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I’ve never heard it called a moral film, though I have heard people try to call it commentary on the ills of society.
 
I read the book and saw the movie way back in the 70s. Moral? No. A stark prediction of the near future? Yes. The movie was shocking and yes to my 20 year old mind/soul it was indeed troublesome. But 35 years later it is not the nudity/rape scene which remain in my mind but rather the fact that that which is utterly abnormal is now seen as normal. That, I think, is the lesson of A Clockwork Orange.
 
I, too saw this movie in the 70’s and I am as shocked by some of the scenes now as I was then. But I never thought of A Clockwork Orange as a moral movie unless one is saying that the futurist world in which Alex (main character) lives lacks morals. But as I recall, the prison minister is portrayed as one of the few decent people in the movie; preferring the prisoners to believe in God to change their lives and believes the “aversion therapy” Alex volunteers for (to obtain parole) is immoral since it physically deters violence but does nothing to change who and what the person is inside.
 
what about the explicit sexual content?! I sn’t that immoral?! Stop cutting slack saying the movie has a moral message, it’s completely overpowered by it’s sinful, seducing, sexual images. Here’s the truth, with movies like that, it’s not the moral most will be having in their mind, it’s the sexual content, and they’ll go off and masturbate as soon as possible (and that’s mortally sinful!)
Such a movie is sinful to make because of how tempting it is, whether that was the director’s aim or not! It’s sexual content makes it immoral, even though it has a moral message.
 
I don’t think most people would find the sort of sex depicted in ‘A Clockwork Orange’ (which though graphic was usually violent as well) a turnon, any more than they would the violence.

But then a sizeable minority would, like yourself, and therein lies the problem …
 
I think its a pretty good flick and its not even on my radar as a movie that arouses me. But if one is bothered by it then they shouldnt watch it anymore. As long as folks dont try and deny me my right to view it by wishing it was banned cuz it weakens THEM 😉

I also found Eyes Wide Shut to be a pretty interesting study on relationships and sex…and it could be arousing as well… 😃

But I dont give them up if theres more to the flick then just showing sex…I simply limit the amount of times I watch. Eyes Wide Shut I wouldnt stop watching, and have only viewed it 3x since its debut on dvd… but I have given up with “SHOWGIRLS”…its strictly for titilation for ME…others may see it as a girls journey to make a living as an entertainer…and their walk aint the same as mine so I aint gonna tell them they shouldnt watch SHOWGIRLS…even though I dont think its message is greater than its sex output…EWS (for me) is more than that.

Another poster the other day said it best…each of us has our own walk with Christ and people have no right to expect their walk to be the same as anothers. If a particular movie or book offends someone that is fine…but they shouldnt try to enforce what makes them sin onto another who doesnt succumb to that particular book or movie.
 
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what about the explicit sexual content?! I sn’t that immoral?! Stop cutting slack saying the movie has a moral message, it’s completely overpowered by it’s sinful, seducing, sexual images. Here’s the truth, with movies like that, it’s not the moral most will be having in their mind, it’s the sexual content, and they’ll go off and masturbate as soon as possible (and that’s mortally sinful!)
Such a movie is sinful to make because of how tempting it is, whether that was the director’s aim or not! It’s sexual content makes it immoral, even though it has a moral message.
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If someone is getting turned on by rape and masturbating about it, this movie is the least of their problems.

Sometimes the best moral stories have the most graphic depections to drive the point home.
 
A Clockwork Orange is an incredible novel, due not only to its message, but to the way it communicates that message. I know most of you are referring to the flim version, but I would argue that the book holds far greater impact as a meditation on free will, good and evil, and the relationship between the two.

One of the most incredible aspects of the book is the invented language Burgess used as a tool used to demonstrate how minds can become slowly brainwashed by culture, by media, by propaganda … even by the book you just read.

I highly recommend you read it. Kubrick’s film is all right. But it doesn’t hold a candle to Burgess’s novel, which is an important work of art written by nothing less than a true genius.

That’s my ten cents.
 
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wabrams:
If someone is getting turned on by rape and masturbating about it, this movie is the least of their problems.

Sometimes the best moral stories have the most graphic depections to drive the point home.
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No need to respond, wabrams summed up my response.
 
Kubrick’s recurrent theme in all of his work is the de-humanization of man by society. At least that’s what I always thought. Even as a hormone-addled teenager, I still didn’t think his sexually explicit images were a “turn on”, because there’s so much cold-blooded, cynical content in those images. I don’t care for his work, because he IMO didn’t believe in the human spirit and the good that can come from it. Except for Paths of Glory, which was one of his earliest films.
 
I made the mistake of seeing this movie in college (in the 80s it was already considered pretty old). IMHO the graphic brutal sex scenes negated any moral message.

The worst thing about this movie is a few years ago, in making the rounds of local Catholic high schools (trying to find one for my son), in the Catholic high school student newspaper, one high school student cheerfully recommended this film as one of the 10 best ever made. (Think about it, this person shouldn’t have even been able to see it and not only did he/she do so, she recommended it to his/her fellow Catholic students (and this school went from K-12 and all of them got the paper!)
Oy!
 
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Steve-o:
Kubrick’s recurrent theme in all of his work is the de-humanization of man by society. At least that’s what I always thought. Even as a hormone-addled teenager, I still didn’t think his sexually explicit images were a “turn on”, because there’s so much cold-blooded, cynical content in those images. I don’t care for his work, because he IMO didn’t believe in the human spirit and the good that can come from it. Except for Paths of Glory, which was one of his earliest films.
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What about Spartacus and Space Odyssey?
 
Laura B:
I made the mistake of seeing this movie in college (in the 80s it was already considered pretty old). IMHO the graphic brutal sex scenes negated any moral message.

The worst thing about this movie is a few years ago, in making the rounds of local Catholic high schools (trying to find one for my son), in the Catholic high school student newspaper, one high school student cheerfully recommended this film as one of the 10 best ever made. (Think about it, this person shouldn’t have even been able to see it and not only did he/she do so, she recommended it to his/her fellow Catholic students (and this school went from K-12 and all of them got the paper!)
Oy!
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That is aweful! It seems we have to be selective even to the Catholic Schools we send our children to.
 
Laura B:
The worst thing about this movie is a few years ago, in making the rounds of local Catholic high schools (trying to find one for my son), in the Catholic high school student newspaper, one high school student cheerfully recommended this film as one of the 10 best ever made. (Think about it, this person shouldn’t have even been able to see it and not only did he/she do so, she recommended it to his/her fellow Catholic students (and this school went from K-12 and all of them got the paper!)
Oy!
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Anyone can see an “R” rated movie if they are with their parents, or if they are 17 see it unsupervised; so I don’t quite understand this person shouldn’t have even been able to see it. On the other hand, I agree there shouldn’t be an article or mention of it in a K-12 newspaper.
 
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brotherhrolf:
What about Spartacus and Space Odyssey?
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Spartacus was a Kirk Douglas vanity project with a sappy Hollywood love story. Most likely because of Kirk’s ego and because his company produced the film. Spartacus is IMO more of a Hollywood epic and not the kind of film with the biting cynicism that Kubrick would later bring to his other projects.

As for 2001, well, the most memorable character is a computer…
 
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