A different point of view from my Baptist friend

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I was in a Baptist Church for a few years, during which time
they kicked two pastors out! One was caught flirting with
the female organist, and the other was drinking in his office!
 
I was in a Baptist Church for a few years, during which time
they kicked two pastors out! One was caught flirting with
the female organist, and the other was drinking in his office!
Might be some hope for that second one. 😃
 
=Vegetables;11823512]Hi! I registered on this forum to ask a pretty specific question that has just come up, and this seemed like a wonderful place to do so! Here goes:
My Baptist friend and I watched a show on recovering drug addicts, who had done awful things, but who were trying really hard to straighten out their lives. (I think I should point out that religion, in whatever form, was not a part of the show.) Their struggles moved me deeply, especially considering the heartbreaking stories of abuse and hardship in their childhood. I’m not sure that if I had been in their shoes, I would have ended up differently. When I discussed my feelings with my friend after the show ended, he said he couldn’t relate to the people at all because they we’re “bad people” and that he felt nothing, period.
I’m not at all familiar with Baptist beliefs, so I don’t even know if such a condemning nature is common among Baptists or simply due to an individual lack of empathy, but I would like to know. I just found it shocking that a claimed literal believer in the Bible would disregard teachings on loving your fellow man, not judging others and so on.
Note: for those of you wondering why I don’t discuss this with him, we’ve had arguments about our beliefs in the past and I don’t want to jeopardize our friendship. We never discuss religious matters anymore and I don’t know any other Baptists with whom I could discuss this. Thank you.
In MY experience I have found Baptist philosophy and theology to not be 100% consistent.

I GUESSING your friend may hold a position that God DOES predestine souls from Romans 8: 29-30. This ties in to a literal translation [when they want it to] of the bible.

What the term means here is that God being “All Knowing” is aware of the choices we will make before they happen. HOWEVER THIS DOES not MEAN that God “chooses” souls for heaven and or hell. ONLY that as God He knows the choice WE WILL make.

God gives to man alone a intellect, mind and freewill that HE OBLIGATES Himself in Divine Justice to permit man to FREELY use and apply. So God ONLY affirms OUR life choices.

That said, Baptist can at times be difficult to carry on a dialogue with. So if your friend is unwilling to HEAR the truth; don’t argue; just pray for that person and let God do God’s work.👍

God Bless you,
Patrick
 
Thanks for the link PJM,
It is very good to back up a point with Scripture!
 
“That said, Baptist can at times be difficult to carry on a dialogue with. So if your friend is unwilling to HEAR the truth; don’t argue; just pray for that person and let God do God’s work.”

Patrick thank you for this statement above. I found out a tad too late just how true this is after having a conversation with a baptist friend of mine. Never again. LOL
 
My baptist friend makes fun of the catholic church. She wonders why such old men are elected to be popes. She makes fun of confession and most everything catholic. She is pretty sure she is right.
 
In MY experience I have found Baptist philosophy and theology to not be 100% consistent.
There are over 300 different Baptist denominations all preaching differently. Quite naturally they are not consistent.
 
The pope looks after 1.2 billion Catholics. This is a great responsibility. Hence the old men because they are much wiser.
That is how I explained it. With age comes experience and wisdom. When pope francis was elected all they could say was “another old guy”.
For me it only deepens my faith and reinforces how shallow the protestant’s faith is. You will probably criticize me for that view but that is how I see it.
 
My baptist friend makes fun of the catholic church. She is pretty sure she is right.
Tell your Baptist friend that even their founder John Smyth did not believe he was right. He left the Anglican priesthood to form the Baptist church. Three years before he died he realised that the Baptist church was all wrong and joined the Mennonites. All other founders of protestant churches died in the church that they founded - Martin Luther, Henry VIII, John Calvin, John Wesley, etc. John Smyth is the only one who left the church that he founded and died in another religion
 
Tell your Baptist friend that even their founder John Smyth did not believe he was right. He left the Anglican priesthood to form the Baptist church. Three years before he died he realised that the Baptist church was all wrong and joined the Mennonites. All other founders of protestant churches died in the church that they founded - Martin Luther, Henry VIII, John Calvin, John Wesley, etc. John Smyth is the only one who left the church that he founded and died in another religion
who cares? maybe we concern ourselves with following christ, and not someone who first put the word “baptist” on a church gate.
 
who cares? maybe we concern ourselves with following christ, and not someone who first put the word “baptist” on a church gate.
But why do Baptist always criticise Catholics. Some (like a former friend of mine), spend more time in hating the Catholic Church than they do in worshiping Christ.
 
I think it is also a condition that arises out of the Baptist understanding of salvation.

Consider that the Baptist church as a matter of doctrine flatly denies any means of grace to its congregants in any form whatsoever. To cover for this obvious deficiency they also teach once saved always saved. Or perhaps believing OSAS they deny the means of grace… I’m not sure it matters which way.

For this reason the Baptist M.O. of salvation is to answer an altar call and “give your heart to Jesus” or some such thing and having done so you are then to believe that having said the “sinner’s prayer” you are saved forever; the end. Of course the obvious problem is that this does nothing to alleviate guilt and also does nothing to bring relief to a person who knows good and well that their sinful flesh can/does/will make shipwreck of their soul, and since they categorically deny that there is even any such thing as absolution/restitution they have nowhere to go except to be re-baptized and perhaps switch churches and see if it will take.

I mean this. I live in Texas and I see this pattern again and again in my Baptist friends and speak to them and they tell me they are tortured by their sins and their inability to be freed from guilt/guilt feelings. So please do not think this is a hack job on the Baptists, I actually feel very, very sorry for them (especially since I used to be one of them).

And so what does a preacher do with a congregation that is tormented by sin and he knows he has no means to assuage their guilt before a Lord who says, “If you love me keep my commandments.”?

The first thing is that they blur the words of Christ and sow doubt about what the commands to right living mean in the New Testament and while they will admonish their congregations to do right on one hand they will with the other hand assure them there is no need to do right. Those commandments are really to bring the unsaved to salvation. And thus every sermon ends with an altar call to get people to come down and accept Jesus and see if this time it takes for real, for real.

I’m completely serious… come to Texas and turn on “Christian” talk radio and hear it for yourself.

The second thing they do is they point out some really serious sins that in all likelihood few if any in their congregation will struggle with. Sins like drug abuse, alcoholism (because even drinking alcohol is forbidden in the Baptist thinking), gambling, sex sin (but focusing on homosexuality with an occasional mention of pornography), etc, etc.

The result is that people who feel tormented by their sins develop an attitude of, “Well I’m not as bad as that person so maybe I’m kind of ok… better answer the next altar call.”

So your friend who feels nothing for the drug addict I strongly suspect, even if he does not know he is doing it and would deny it if asked, is comparing himself to the addict. In fact I know he is because he characterizes them as “bad people” thereby implying that he and his ilk must be to some degree “good people”, and this makes me very sad for your friend. Because I know for a certainty that when I used to be your friend what I needed more than anything else to confess my sins before God and man and be absolved, and hearing those words “I forgive you” released me from years of pent up anger and frustration and showed me the love of Christ in a way I had never known it before.

Pray for your friend. He needs it much more than he knows would be my guess.

God Bless
Hog wash, complete Hog wash
 
Despite some drawbacks, Baptists are very dedicated to their Church!
They have numerous boards and committees looking after everything
from Missions to Sunday School and Evangelism. They have a VERY
organized Sunday School that, to my mind is second to none!
The Evangelical aspect of their mission is, in the United Baptist
Church I was in is ALIVE and evident in the Music and Worship minis-
try of the worship services, we have a lot to learn from THEM!
 
What do we have to learn from them??? So they have committees big deal—they also have 300 churches because they can’t even agree with each other. This First Baptist church believes this and the Second Baptist church the one right down the street from the First believes that and the New Reformed Baptist church one just three blocks down doesn’t believe half of the stuff the other two churches believe in. So please save that “we can learn a lot from them” from someone that believes all that happy clappy stuff.

I just had a three week conversation with a baptist friend in the guise that "she just wanted to know why Catholics “worship Mary”, go to confession, Blah, blah and blah. The same old same old. Turns out she didn’t REALLY want any of her questions answered she was just wanting to let me know I was going to hell for being a Catholic.

Here’s what I learned in my research—baptists ONLY believe in the Bible and ONLY what THEY want to believe. If it’s not a part of what they want to believe in they tear out that page and those books. Even though I answered her questions with Scripture, the Catechism and the Church documents some dating back to 70 ad she still thought it great fun to tear down Catholicism and the Church. This was suppose to be a friend—she contacted me with this stuff. I never confronted her about being a baptist. But let me tell you this—through my research I have absolutely BONED up on baptists and this summer when they pull into my driveway to confront me on my St Francis statue by the pasture gate, I will be loaded for bear.

A lot to learn from them indeed.
 
=7 Sorrows;11845884]My baptist friend makes fun of the catholic church. She wonders why such old men are elected to be popes. She makes fun of confession and most everything catholic. She is pretty sure she is right.
So here’s what to do"

1st PRAY for her

2nd. Print out these three bible passages and ASK HER does she believe what the bible teaches?

Mt. 10:1-8
1 Jn. 1:5-7
1 Jn. 5: 16-17
John 20:19-23
John 17:14-20
Here’s a site to use

file:///C:/Users/Robert/Desktop/Douay-Rheims%20Bible%20Online,%20Roman%20Catholic%20Bible%20Verses%20Search…htm

DON"T argue, just give it to her to read.👍 Let us know what happens!

God Bless you,
Patrick
 
What do we have to learn from them??? So they have committees big deal—they also have 300 churches because they can’t even agree with each other. This First Baptist church believes this and the Second Baptist church the one right down the street from the First believes that and the New Reformed Baptist church one just three blocks down doesn’t believe half of the stuff the other two churches believe in. So please save that “we can learn a lot from them” from someone that believes all that happy clappy stuff.

I just had a three week conversation with a baptist friend in the guise that "she just wanted to know why Catholics “worship Mary”, go to confession, Blah, blah and blah. The same old same old. Turns out she didn’t REALLY want any of her questions answered she was just wanting to let me know I was going to hell for being a Catholic.

Here’s what I learned in my research—baptists ONLY believe in the Bible and ONLY what THEY want to believe. If it’s not a part of what they want to believe in they tear out that page and those books. Even though I answered her questions with Scripture, the Catechism and the Church documents some dating back to 70 ad she still thought it great fun to tear down Catholicism and the Church. This was suppose to be a friend—she contacted me with this stuff. I never confronted her about being a baptist. But let me tell you this—through my research I have absolutely BONED up on baptists and this summer when they pull into my driveway to confront me on my St Francis statue by the pasture gate, I will be loaded for bear.

A lot to learn from them indeed.
Me too. I had a Baptist friend who came over 2 or 3 times a week. Not once did he not have a slur on the Catholic Church. Catholics are all sinners and this from a man who was having sex with many women including women of his mother’s age. There is no need t say the Our Father and Hail Mary which of course Jesus taught us. Catholics pray to statues but God commanded Moses to build statues of angels to place on the Ark of the covenant. So the God of Moses must have been a Catholic God. Ultimately I gave up my friendship with him.

I am quite tolerant of other religions both Christian and non- Christian. I believe that people should follow the religion that makes them comfortable. I do not believe they are right but respect their right to their own beliefs. I expect the same from others. After my encounter with this Baptist friend it has made be a bit adverse towards the Baptist. He has not done himself any favours by his actions. I too have done a lot of research on the Baptist and yes they do have 300 denominations and their founder John Smyth founded the Baptist church but died as a Mennonite. How farcical is that?
 
What do we have to learn from them??? So they have committees big deal—they also have 300 churches because they can’t even agree with each other. This First Baptist church believes this and the Second Baptist church the one right down the street from the First believes that and the New Reformed Baptist church one just three blocks down doesn’t believe half of the stuff the other two churches believe in. So please save that “we can learn a lot from them” from someone that believes all that happy clappy stuff.

I just had a three week conversation with a baptist friend in the guise that "she just wanted to know why Catholics “worship Mary”, go to confession, Blah, blah and blah. The same old same old. Turns out she didn’t REALLY want any of her questions answered she was just wanting to let me know I was going to hell for being a Catholic.

Here’s what I learned in my research—baptists ONLY believe in the Bible and ONLY what THEY want to believe. If it’s not a part of what they want to believe in they tear out that page and those books. Even though I answered her questions with Scripture, the Catechism and the Church documents some dating back to 70 ad she still thought it great fun to tear down Catholicism and the Church. This was suppose to be a friend—she contacted me with this stuff. I never confronted her about being a baptist. But let me tell you this—through my research I have absolutely BONED up on baptists and this summer when they pull into my driveway to confront me on my St Francis statue by the pasture gate, I will be loaded for bear.

A lot to learn from them indeed.
again I must say "Hog wash complete hog wash
 
Me too. I had a Baptist friend who came over 2 or 3 times a week. Not once did he not have a slur on the Catholic Church. Catholics are all sinners and this from a man who was having sex with many women including women of his mother’s age. There is no need t say the Our Father and Hail Mary which of course Jesus taught us. Catholics pray to statues but God commanded Moses to build statues of angels to place on the Ark of the covenant. So the God of Moses must have been a Catholic God. Ultimately I gave up my friendship with him.

I am quite tolerant of other religions both Christian and non- Christian. I believe that people should follow the religion that makes them comfortable. I do not believe they are right but respect their right to their own beliefs. I expect the same from others. After my encounter with this Baptist friend it has made be a bit adverse towards the Baptist. He has not done himself any favours by his actions. I too have done a lot of research on the Baptist and yes they do have 300 denominations and their founder John Smyth founded the Baptist church but died as a Mennonite. How farcical is that?
Just because a person calls themselves a Baptist or a Catholic or even a Christian does not mean that they are truly a Christian so don’t be judging all Baptist or Catholic by what one person does.
 
Just because a person calls themselves a Baptist or a Catholic or even a Christian does not mean that they are truly a Christian so don’t be judging all Baptist or Catholic by what one person does.
You are right. We should not judge based on one experience but looking at this thread and others, it is clear that Baptist are the biggest “offenders” of criticism of the Catholic Church. If you look at most of my posts you will see that I generally do not criticise other religions except the Baptist. In one of my posts I even praised a Lutheran on saying something good of the Catholic Church. One Baptist convert to Catholicism even said that in his former church the pastor used to criticise the Catholic Church in all his sermons. I have never heard a Catholic priest say something bad about other religions in their sermons.
 
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