A Question for Catholic Creationist

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This question is for Catholics who hold to the traditional 6-day creation. I am a creationist and to me it is so obvious that the bible teaches it, the vast majority of Christians believed it, and that evolution is harmful to the church. To me, I see evolution as the leading cause of people leaving the Church [as a whole not just catholic] it is why I left the catholic church as a youth and why I am conservative protestant today.

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Given the stance taken in the CCC on creation evolution and the age of the earth. How can I go against what I think is harmful anti-God philosophy and become a Catholic? this is my biggest stumbling block and I am asking for a thoughtful response. The Catholic Church’s refusal to take a stand against the greatest enemy of our day. I now a response would be to trust the church and not yourself on interpretations. But when it is so clear and so harmful to accept [evolution] how can I go against it? Should I also trust Islam or the koran and what it says even when it is so wrong on so many subjects? I will be held accountable to God so I cant join anything I think is so harmful to him and causes many like myself to reject him.

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Doesnt Bible literalism goes against Catholic way of thinking?
l am not a Christian so l am really not sure
 
I am not a Six-Day creationist, and I’m also skeptical of darwinian evolution, although I don’t reject Evolution out right. I think a huge problem I’m having with some of this, is that the fossil record and carbon dating seems to tell us the age of the Earth, and it’s not as young as many of these folks would suppose. And why should it be? I think the fact that God can make something that lasts billions of years, is incredible in and of itself. That being said, although I do not hold their position, I think that people who are young earth creationists or what have you, should not get the hate they get. Especially when the person bashing their belief, believes something like string theory.
 
I would say that carbon dating shows why the earth is not old and the fossil record shows a global flood and why evolution is imaginative. But i am not here to disuse that [if you wish in pm i would love to] only to discus how the supposed infallible church could support falsehood and leading people from the church.
 
You can believe in any creation you wish as a Catholic. It is not a moral or salvific issue. The vast majority of historical Catholics and saints believed in some sort of creation that was not evolution driven. And the vast majority of current Catholics and saints follow the fold of evolution. Regardless of your personal beliefs I find it odd that ones argument for or against evolution would have anything to do with how the theory affects the Church. It either is true or it is not true, none of that matters when it comes to the Church gaining or losing members.
 
I think Adam, that you are correct. I’m not a six day nor do I find the logic of an ever shifting and changing theory of evolution. The truth is somewhere in the middle I think. But honestly, why people pick this hill to die on I’ll never understand.
 
But that is just it. It does lead people away from the faith, such as it did me when i was younger. If evolution is true the bible is wrong. Most see that.
 
No it doesn’t. Catholics believe it is literal. At least in point of everything in it really happened. None of it was story telling just to prove a point.

Augustine argues in City of God that people back in old Testament really lived for hundreds of years. With God all things are possible. Some argue that days of creation are not same as ehat we call days now. Im not the one that can answer that.
 
Then how do you say the CCC says evolution might be true up to man, and the earth billions of years old? Today evolution undermines trust in the bible and church and causes those to leave the church how can gods church on earth not resit it and make a stand? how could I join when it refuses to do so?
 
I am saddened to hear of educated US Catholics believing in ‘six day creation’, although few would agree with the Irish scholar Archbishop Ussher who claimed creation occurred on 22nd October 4004 BC. The evidence is clear, the world is older than 6000 years,

Those who hold the earth is less than 10000 yeas old refuse to see facts, and acknowledge truth.

Catholics should believe in truth, but if one holds recent creation one denies reality.

There is not much one can do to convince these people, but it is amazing that in the most advanced country on earth, with some of the best educational facilities, truth is rejected.
 
No the vast majority of faithful Christians do not think the Bible is wrong if evolution is true. I’ve always wondered though how a Protestant can deny the Eucharist as described in John 6 and yet claim a six day creation. 6000 years ago.
I for one do not believe in a young earth six day creation nor do I subscribe to modern changing theories of macro-evolution and neither position if true would affect my faith or my trust of God’s word in the slightest. If others can’t comprehend that in a way that reconciles their faith that is not the fault of evolution or the Bible but rather their own shortcomings. Just curious if you have really read the entire Bible how the first three chapters of the first book are the ones that throw you off and not other stuff that doesn’t mesh with modern thought. You know like the dead rising? Do you also literally interpret gold on the streets of heaven? Is there a monitary value of heaven? It seems to me that a true literalist would be overridden by common sense and logic on some level.
God created the world and he created it good. That is all you need to know or believe in those first three chapters.
 
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and the earth billions of years old?
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Easy. The Bible isn’t truly clear on how long the Earth was around. If you read Genesis, there is no part where it says the length of time that passed between Adam and Eve’s creation and the sin. That amount of time is unspecified. A Christian can easily believe in an Earth billions of years old. Since whoever counted out the 6,000 years made a presumption we have no way of knowing is accurate or not. What if it was billions of years till that first sin?
 
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I am saddened to hear of educated US Catholics believing in ‘six day creation’, although few would agree with the Irish scholar Archbishop Ussher who claimed creation occurred on 22nd October 4004 BC. The evidence is clear, the world is older than 6000 years,

Those who hold the earth is less than 10000 yeas old refuse to see facts, and acknowledge truth.

Catholics should believe in truth, but if one holds recent creation one denies reality.

There is not much one can do to convince these people, but it is amazing that in the most advanced country on earth, with some of the best educational facilities, truth is rejected.
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*The western world have never had the chance to learn creation thinking and know only evolution. Naturalism enjoys a virtual monopoly in today’s classrooms, while instructors who have been schooled only in naturalistic worldview play the part of evolutionary evangelist.”
John D Morris and Frank J Sherwin The Fossil Record 2017

“ He who joyfully marches in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice.”
  • Albert Einstein
This here is a great example of why it is so dangerous to allow false secular ideas in. While our poster here might be ok with not using the bible or church history as an authority instead of taking those who have indoctrinated him as the authority.

“ Absolute stranglehold materialistic atheism has on every thought that is allowed to be considered in the scientific and educational realms. This makes the American classroom one of the most censored, thought-controlled locations on the planet.”
-John Morris and Frank Sherwin The Fossil Record: Unearthing Nature’s History of Life 2017

I do offer a debate challenge to you, good sir. I would like to debate 1v1 the topic being

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Those who hold the earth is less than 10000 yeas old refuse to see facts, and acknowledge truth. Catholics should believe in truth, but if one holds recent creation one denies reality."*
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There are forums we can engage in this debate on and it can be judged as well.
the most advanced country on earth, with some of the best educational facilities, truth is rejected.
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If catholcism is truth, have you not said this then about people in america not being catholic, and if so why not.?
 
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That’s completely untrue. Most people understand that the Bible is not a science textbook.

Good thing since science textbooks lie and change. However, some crazy backwoods Christians think the bible gives the account of God creating the world as he did not to mislead people.
 
No the vast majority of faithful Christians do not think the Bible is wrong if evolution is true. I’ve always wondered though how a Protestant can deny the Eucharist as described in John 6 and yet claim a six day creation. 6000 years ago.
I for one do not believe in a young earth six day creation nor do I subscribe to modern changing theories of macro-evolution and neither position if true would affect my faith or my trust of God’s word in the slightest. If others can’t comprehend that in a way that reconciles their faith that is not the fault of evolution or the Bible but rather their own shortcomings. Just curious if you have really read the entire Bible how the first three chapters of the first book are the ones that throw you off and not other stuff that doesn’t mesh with modern thought. You know like the dead rising? Do you also literally interpret gold on the streets of heaven? Is there a monitary value of heaven? It seems to me that a true literalist would be overridden by common sense and logic on some level.
God created the world and he created it good. That is all you need to know or believe in those first three chapters.
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The problem is millions of others like me see the creation/evolution as a cause to reject the bible. None has an issue with if the god who created the world as told in creation is real, is also abel to raise the dead. We have an issue with the god who was wrong on creation [thus a lier and not true[ raising people from the dead.
 
NoelFitz

Would you care to debate with me 1v1 on the age of the earth or creation vs evolution in general? I have two great forums we could do so made for 1v1 debates.
 
Two great puzzles of CAF:
  1. Why do fundamentalists come here to tell Catholics what Catholics believe?
  2. Better yet, why do Catholics waste their time debating them?
 
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