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thephilosopher6
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Anyone on here have a problem with government and consider themselves Libertarian here?
Any Catholics who consider themselves Libertarians on here?
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djames99
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A Catholic is non partisan, and all civil politics is officially subordinate and under the guidance Catholic dogma, if I follow the meaning of your question properly. An act born out of a political decision, is still a human act as all others are and is open to the scrutiny of her laws.
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GEddie
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I might become one, as I am now monumentally disgusted with the GOP.
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CatholicAMMO
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I would probably be categorized as one but only because I subscribe to subsidiarity, and in most cases I don’t believe that Big Government is the answer.
However, I’m also not a “unfettered economist,” because unfettered capitalism doesn’t produce the ideal anymore than communism does. Abuse happens because people don’t control their passions.
However, I’m also not a “unfettered economist,” because unfettered capitalism doesn’t produce the ideal anymore than communism does. Abuse happens because people don’t control their passions.
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Convert_in_99
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Third party or no vote option for me. Currently I’m no vote. I’m sick of politics.
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RPRPsych
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I have some sympathies with them, but I’m not a Randian libertarian by any stretch. Subsidiarity, small government, individual initiative and talent, individual responsibility - yes. Atheism, unregulated business, yes to pot / gay marriage / contraception / etc. - no way! 
I do think socialism is a terrible, terrible system though. We’ve lived with it for 69 years and it’s not really accomplished much.
I do think socialism is a terrible, terrible system though. We’ve lived with it for 69 years and it’s not really accomplished much.
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Ghosty
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Although I’m not “active” in any significant way, I consider myself a libertarian socialist. Not the same thing as the Libertarian party, and not the same as Socialism. Think subsidiarity taken to the extreme, with a collective support orientation as opposed to “every man for himself”.
Peace and God bless!
Peace and God bless!
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ChurchSoldier
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Independent with Libertarian leanings, but with the understanding there needs to be some oversight in areas to keep things from going off the rails. While Ayn Rand spoke of total self regulation from a Capitalistic sense, I think the Industrial Revolution proved unfettered Capitalism leads to just as deep servant hood as unfettered Socialism/Communism.
Ultimately, any system still has to deal with humanities brokenness and the lasting effects of original sin which can’t be resolved with political ideology.
Ultimately, any system still has to deal with humanities brokenness and the lasting effects of original sin which can’t be resolved with political ideology.
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LethalMouse
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I claim independent but I am basically a libertarian.
Eh, this is a subjective idea. Our actual constitutional government is pretty dang good, there are quite a few problems in the real world…but I feel like this is a loaded question. Even being about limited gov doesn’t negate the merits of a properly functioning one. I actually think we all miss the point, people vote and it does matter. Have you met people? yeah the government represents them…and probably half voters have no clue what is going on. Sadly our gov issues is actually proof that we are fairly represented.
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mikekle
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Yes I definitely say I have a problem with Govt intruding on every aspect of our lives, its all about control, US Govt wants absolute control and they want the people to constantly be a in a ‘position’ (financially and socially) to obey.
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GEddie
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The whole purpose of government is to force people to obey.
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Charlemagne_III
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I appreciate your disgust. Pretty much all conservative Republicans are disgusted with their party.
But the alternative, the Libertarian party, is not for me a viable alternative. Libertarians are for the most part pathetically out of touch with Christian morality on the social issues.
I dread the prospects of a bunch of Libertarians on the Supreme Court.
They could be nine loose canons aimed at the Catholic Church.
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Charlemagne_III
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The whole purpose of government is to maintain a well-regulated society.
Some in the government think that consists of ramming stupid laws down the people’s throats. :bigyikes:
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djames99
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Proof lately with Trump seems to indicate a suicidal fixation on novelty and tendency for experimentation at any cost.
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GEddie
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And you achieve that by forcing everybody to obey.
Let’s call a spade a spade, as that ability is sadly lacking in the current social orbit.
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GEddie
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There has never been a Libertarian on the USSC, so ISTM there’s a weebit of Chicken Little in that concern.
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Entwhistler
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From I’ve gathered, there are two types of Libertarians. The First are minarchists or those who hold the belief that there should be a government that performs only the minimum required of a government. The Second are anarchists or those who believe there should be no government (Not bushy haired old guys wielding bombs). No government with people free to do what they want. There are convincing arguments for the latter but I’m with the former. I think that government is natural. It helps to regulate our lives for the better. However, one should have the freedom to leave such a government whenever one chooses.
There are problems with ever kind of government. Human beings can be quite rotten at times. Oh, humanity, will you ever learn.
There are problems with ever kind of government. Human beings can be quite rotten at times. Oh, humanity, will you ever learn.
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mikekle
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Like Thomas Jefferson once said…
“When a government fears the people, there is liberty, when a people fear their government, there is tyranny”.
Pretty cut and dry to me, but in our modern times, whenever the Govt fears something about the people, they put new laws and regulations in place to knock it back down, and/or they ‘condition’ the public into believing there is nothing to fear, everything is being done in the people interest or for national security…sadly, too many people believe this.
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Charlemagne_III
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Try reading more Libertarian literature.
Based on how little traction the Libertarian party has managed to get in the political election process of the Republican party, I think maybe many Americans agree with me that if the libs get control of the system the sky might well indeed fall on us all. Libertarians put freedom before virtue as their foundational principle. Shame on them.
As Jefferson opined in his old age:
“Yes, we did produce a near perfect Republic, but will they keep it, or will they, in the enjoyment of plenty, lose the memory of freedom? Material abundance without character is the surest way to destruction.”
Just because they are not registered as Libertarians, it does not follow that certain Justices do not think like LIbertarians.
Are you familiar with George Carey’s collection of essays titled Freedom and Virtue: the Conservative/Libertarian Debate?
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thephilosopher6
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I’m the anarchist. Specifically an Anarcho-Capitalist.From I’ve gathered, there are two types of Libertarians. The First are minarchists or those who hold the belief that there should be a government that performs only the minimum required of a government. The Second are anarchists or those who believe there should be no government (Not bushy haired old guys wielding bombs). No government with people free to do what they want. There are convincing arguments for the latter but I’m with the former. I think that government is natural. It helps to regulate our lives for the better. However, one should have the freedom to leave such a government whenever one chooses.
There are problems with ever kind of government. Human beings can be quite rotten at times. Oh, humanity, will you ever learn.
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