Any ideas on who Peter the Roman might be?

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St Malachy’s “controversial” prophesies regarding the succession of popes, suggests that “Peter the Roman” follows his last numerated pope, which as it turns out, is Pope Benedict XVI.

One of the consensus or conjectures is that Peter the Roman, because he is not numbered, may not be a pope at all but some kind of administrator during the turbulent end times.

Has anyone done further research or have ideas about who this Peter could be?
 
A lot say that the Peter the Roman part was a forgery of the Jesuits. If it’s true, and whoever it may be, he’s gotta to be a holy and saintly dude. 😃
 
since these prophecies are a hoax i don’t know and don’t care.
 
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Ace86:
A lot say that the Peter the Roman part was a forgery of the Jesuits. If it’s true, and whoever it may be, he’s gotta to be a holy and saintly dude. 😃
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Ace86,
from what I’ve read so far in my research on this subject, the reason they are controversial is because some believe them to be a hoax by the Jesuits and others believe they are not.

Now that you say, that the last part may be a hoax and not the whole thing, that might make more sense, but can you tell me where it mentions just the last part as a possible hoax.

Here’s why I don’t necessarily think that they are a hoax.
  1. they were given to a man who has since been canonized as a saint; thereby strongly increasing their veracity;
  2. most if not all, actually did happen very closely to how they were described happening, and most if not all of the popes, fit their description has described by Saint Malachy.
  3. it’s difficult to believe they are a hoax because hoaxes don’t come true. In fact, one way we know a hoax is that it fails to materialize. These prophesies did materialize in a very evident way. Therefore, I’m inclined to believe their authenticity.
Please let me know, or show me a link, where it describes the last part possibly being “added” by the Jesuits. That would help me a lot.

Thanks.
 
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seabird3579:
St Malachy’s “controversial” prophesies regarding the succession of popes, suggests that “Peter the Roman” follows his last numerated pope, which as it turns out, is Pope Benedict XVI.

One of the consensus or conjectures is that Peter the Roman, because he is not numbered, may not be a pope at all but some kind of administrator during the turbulent end times.

Has anyone done further research or have ideas about who this Peter could be?
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Also, has either Pope John Paul II or Pope Benedict XVI ever commented on these prophesies?
 
I don’t know whether the Peter the Roman prophecy applies to Pope Benedict, nor do I have enough information to determine whether or not Malachy’s Prophecies are a hoax.

If the prophecies are true, then Pope Benedict XVI would correspond to Gloria Olivae or Glory of the Olive. I read somewhere that the Benedictine Order had some relation to being “Olivetan” and that Pope Benedict fulfilled Malachy’s description of Glory of the Olive.

Peter the Roman and Glory of the Olive could be the same Pope because some believe that Malachy’s prophecy–with regards to the last two popes–was altered. These same folks say that the original prophecy did not distinguish between Gloria Olivae and Petrus Romanus (Peter the Roman). Others say that Petrus Romanus was not on the original list and that it ends with Gloria Olivae—so there is some confusion with regards to Malachy’s Prophecy.

But … now that we’re discussing Pope Benedict, I’d like to offer an interesting, little-known prophecy from St. Faustina, who said:

"I wish the time were here when the Pope dressed in red will reign. I see the Apostles, not those of the past, but the apostles of the last times, and it seems to me, the Pope is among them"–St. Faustina. exerpt from Reign of Antichrist by Rev. R. Gerald Culleton. Page 160.

I speculate that the “red” could apply to the Camauro and the “Pope dressed in red” could be Pope Benedict, or one of his successors:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ictXVIcamauro.jpg/78px-BenedictXVIcamauro.jpg

The camauro had fallen into disuse after Pope John XXIII. It was revived by Pope Benedict. Here’s a description of the camauro and a history:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camauro

—Just speculating, for fun.

God Bless!
 
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GoldenArrow:
Peter the Roman and Glory of the Olive could be the same Pope because some believe that Malachy’s prophecy–with regards to the last two popes–was altered. These same folks say that the original prophecy did not distinguish between Gloria Olivae and Petrus Romanus (Peter the Roman). Others say that Petrus Romanus was not on the original list and that it ends with Gloria Olivae—so there is some confusion with regards to Malachy’s Prophecy.

But … now that we’re discussing Pope Benedict, I’d like to offer an interesting, little-known prophecy from St. Faustina, who said:

"I wish the time were here when the Pope dressed in red will reign. I see the Apostles, not those of the past, but the apostles of the last times, and it seems to me, the Pope is among them"–St. Faustina. exerpt from Reign of Antichrist by Rev. R. Gerald Culleton. Page 160.
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I’ve read the same regarding Gloria Olivae and Peter Romanus, I find it all very interesting. It would be almost impossible to ignore the prophesy since, after all these years, there are no more popes listed. I really hope that means that Jesus will return soon.

I really admire Pope Benedict. My mother and I were commenting the other day about how the Holy Spirit has hand-picked just the right Shepherd to lead the Church during this era in history. If the times will get even more turbulent, I have complete confidence in the Lord and this Holy Father.
 
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seabird3579:
Ace86,
from what I’ve read so far in my research on this subject, the reason they are controversial is because some believe them to be a hoax by the Jesuits and others believe they are not.

Now that you say, that the last part may be a hoax and not the whole thing, that might make more sense, but can you tell me where it mentions just the last part as a possible hoax.

Here’s why I don’t necessarily think that they are a hoax.
  1. they were given to a man who has since been canonized as a saint; thereby strongly increasing their veracity;
  2. most if not all, actually did happen very closely to how they were described happening, and most if not all of the popes, fit their description has described by Saint Malachy.
  3. it’s difficult to believe they are a hoax because hoaxes don’t come true. In fact, one way we know a hoax is that it fails to materialize. These prophesies did materialize in a very evident way. Therefore, I’m inclined to believe their authenticity.
Please let me know, or show me a link, where it describes the last part possibly being “added” by the Jesuits. That would help me a lot.

Thanks.
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I’m sorry, I really don’t know of any research regarding that theory, it’s just an idea. But you make some interesting points regarding their authenticity. Anyways, there kinda frightening, you know, because they concern the end of the world I guess, and so that’s why maybe people don’t believe in them. They don’t want to think that the end could be near, yet that’s what the Bible really says, and that’s what Jesus said too.
 
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GoldenArrow:
I don’t know whether the Peter the Roman prophecy applies to Pope Benedict, nor do I have enough information to determine whether or not Malachy’s Prophecies are a hoax.

If the prophecies are true, then Pope Benedict XVI would correspond to Gloria Olivae or Glory of the Olive. I read somewhere that the Benedictine Order had some relation to being “Olivetan” and that Pope Benedict fulfilled Malachy’s description of Glory of the Olive.

Peter the Roman and Glory of the Olive could be the same Pope because some believe that Malachy’s prophecy–with regards to the last two popes–was altered. These same folks say that the original prophecy did not distinguish between Gloria Olivae and Petrus Romanus (Peter the Roman). Others say that Petrus Romanus was not on the original list and that it ends with Gloria Olivae—so there is some confusion with regards to Malachy’s Prophecy.

But … now that we’re discussing Pope Benedict, I’d like to offer an interesting, little-known prophecy from St. Faustina, who said:

"I wish the time were here when the Pope dressed in red will reign. I see the Apostles, not those of the past, but the apostles of the last times, and it seems to me, the Pope is among them"–St. Faustina. exerpt from Reign of Antichrist by Rev. R. Gerald Culleton. Page 160.

I speculate that the “red” could apply to the Camauro and the “Pope dressed in red” could be Pope Benedict, or one of his successors:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ictXVIcamauro.jpg/78px-BenedictXVIcamauro.jpg

The camauro had fallen into disuse after Pope John XXIII. It was revived by Pope Benedict. Here’s a description of the camauro and a history:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camauro

—Just speculating, for fun.

God Bless!
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Pope Benedict is definately a powerful man, I think of Beethoven’s Fifth as I write this. How ironic. That’s what I’m listening to right now as I write this. Like fate knocking on the door.
 
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seabird3579:
St Malachy’s “controversial” prophesies regarding the succession of popes, suggests that “Peter the Roman” follows his last numerated pope, which as it turns out, is Pope Benedict XVI.

One of the consensus or conjectures is that Peter the Roman, because he is not numbered, may not be a pope at all but some kind of administrator during the turbulent end times.

Has anyone done further research or have ideas about who this Peter could be?
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I wouldn’t worry about Malachy’s prophecies. If they’re not recognized by the Church, why should I?
 
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bones_IV:
I wouldn’t worry about Malachy’s prophecies. If they’re not recognized by the Church, why should I?
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To my knowledge, the Church has neither confirmed nor denied them. It leaves it up to each individual, as it does all private revelation, including the Divine Mercy by Saint Faustina, as it does with most of the Marian apparitions.

I prefer the way Jesus described the “end of the world”; “when you see these things happening, know that the end is near.”
 
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GoldenArrow:
I don’t know whether the Peter the Roman prophecy applies to Pope Benedict, nor do I have enough information to determine whether or not Malachy’s Prophecies are a hoax.

If the prophecies are true, then Pope Benedict XVI would correspond to Gloria Olivae or Glory of the Olive. I read somewhere that the Benedictine Order had some relation to being “Olivetan” and that Pope Benedict fulfilled Malachy’s description of Glory of the Olive.

Peter the Roman and Glory of the Olive could be the same Pope because some believe that Malachy’s prophecy–with regards to the last two popes–was altered. These same folks say that the original prophecy did not distinguish between Gloria Olivae and Petrus Romanus (Peter the Roman). Others say that Petrus Romanus was not on the original list and that it ends with Gloria Olivae—so there is some confusion with regards to Malachy’s Prophecy.

But … now that we’re discussing Pope Benedict, I’d like to offer an interesting, little-known prophecy from St. Faustina, who said:

"I wish the time were here when the Pope dressed in red will reign. I see the Apostles, not those of the past, but the apostles of the last times, and it seems to me, the Pope is among them"–St. Faustina. exerpt from Reign of Antichrist by Rev. R. Gerald Culleton. Page 160.

I speculate that the “red” could apply to the Camauro and the “Pope dressed in red” could be Pope Benedict, or one of his successors:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ictXVIcamauro.jpg/78px-BenedictXVIcamauro.jpg

The camauro had fallen into disuse after Pope John XXIII. It was revived by Pope Benedict. Here’s a description of the camauro and a history:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camauro

—Just speculating, for fun.

God Bless!
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Sounds like a loose connection, then again anything is possible.
 
People, people, get over yourselves - ‘no one knows the day and hour, not even the son’

Much less St Malachy, or the seers of Fatima, or Nostradamus, much less us.

To give credence to anything that purports to determine when the end of the world will take place is superstitious nonsense.
 
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LilyM:
People, people, get over yourselves - ‘no one knows the day and hour, not even the son’

Much less St Malachy, or the seers of Fatima, or Nostradamus, much less us.

To give credence to anything that purports to determine when the end of the world will take place is superstitious nonsense.
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Knowing the day or the Hour
Right. But those are specific times, not general times. There are many signs in the world today.
 
Ace86 said:
Knowing the day or the Hour
Right. But those are specific times, not general times. There are many signs in the world today.
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I agree with you. The disciples asked Jesus how they would know when the end was near and He pointed out the Fig tree and other examples in nature. Basically telling them that if you can read the signs of nature and know when a plant will bloom, then you can see the “signs” that indicate the end is near.

Wars, and rumors of wars, was not enough. But we are told by St Paul also that in the end times mens’ hearts would grow cold and there would be extreme selfishness and sin abounding in the last days. Scripture also points out that there would be changes in the weather and environment.

Personally, I find St. Malachy’s prophesies very credible, and I tend to be a skeptic on a lot of issues.

Either way, there is no sense burying our heads in the sand, there are too many other “signs” to think that we are not living in extraordinary times.
 
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seabird3579:
I agree with you. The disciples asked Jesus how they would know when the end was near and He pointed out the Fig tree and other examples in nature. Basically telling them that if you can read the signs of nature and know when a plant will bloom, then you can see the “signs” that indicate the end is near.

Wars, and rumors of wars, was not enough. But we are told by St Paul also that in the end times mens’ hearts would grow cold and there would be extreme selfishness and sin abounding in the last days. Scripture also points out that there would be changes in the weather and environment.

Personally, I find St. Malachy’s prophesies very credible, and I tend to be a skeptic on a lot of issues.

Either way, there is no sense burying our heads in the sand, there are too many other “signs” to think that we are not living in extraordinary times.
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Ok, fair enough. John XXIII was called Pastor Nautilus by the prophecy supposedly by Malachy. Strange because, that title could be applied to any pope really. There is no real connection except the fact that he was Patriarch of Venice a sea port. The earlier prophecies and descriptions of popes are accurate and dead on up until about the 16th century or so, but afterwards they become less and less accurate.
 
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bones_IV:
Ok, fair enough. John XXIII was called Pastor Nautilus by the prophecy supposedly by Malachy. Strange because, that title could be applied to any pope really. There is no real connection except the fact that he was Patriarch of Venice a sea port. The earlier prophecies and descriptions of popes are accurate and dead on up until about the 16th century or so, but afterwards they become less and less accurate.
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Another thought about the term “nautilus” is this: the Church is sometimes referred to as a “ship” (in private revelations). Maybe this referred pope would “steer the ship” so to speak in a new direction…? just a thought, and a reminder that others may see closer connections than some do when evaluating the prophesies.
 
But what is so odd is that the last description is very different than all the others. I’m not quite sure what anyone should really think about these prophecies as I am not sure myself. If only the Church would come out with a definitive answer…

Are there other revelations made by Saints that speak of something about this?? I know there were some predictions of the horrors of the 20th century (I don’t have any sources), but are there any of the 21st??
 
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seabird3579:
Another thought about the term “nautilus” is this: the Church is sometimes referred to as a “ship” (in private revelations). Maybe this referred pope would “steer the ship” so to speak in a new direction…? just a thought, and a reminder that others may see closer connections than some do when evaluating the prophesies.
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Pius XI was called intrepid fide which means ‘unshakable faith’. All popes are to have unshakable faith. He did stand up to the communists and fascists of his day.
 
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Ace86:
But what is so odd is that the last description is very different than all the others. I’m not quite sure what anyone should really think about these prophecies as I am not sure myself. If only the Church would come out with a definitive answer…

Are there other revelations made by Saints that speak of something about this?? I know there were some predictions of the horrors of the 20th century (I don’t have any sources), but are there any of the 21st??
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Ace86,
If you go to an earlier thread titled, “Are you prepared for the 3 days and 3 nights of darkness?” there is a link. I believe that link will help you find more on Saint Malachy’s prophesies. But if not, the original poster of that thread told me about Saint Malachy. Try PM him and see if he can show you specific links on the Malachy prophesies.

Hope that helps.
 
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