Are angels perfect and without sin?

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Like St. Michael the Archangel, St. Gabriel, St. Raphael, etc? Are they perfect and sinless or not?
 
Yes. Angels are pure spirit. The angels were given a choice. They choose their eternity once and then never change their minds. Thus, the angels who became evil demons will never change. And the angels who chose God will never become evil.
 
Some are, some aren’t.

The difference is: They only had ONE oppritunity to get it right. Those that sinned lost God forever, no repentance, and are called DEMONS.

The majority of angels chose God, and thus did not sin and remained perfect. And they will never again get the OPPORTUNITY to sin, so they are sinless forever.
 
Angels usually do not have free will, except the Archangels, one of which was Satan.
 
Tim_D said:
Not at all and it completely goes against the little that the Church says about the subject.
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That is what I thought. Both in my personal study of Catholicism, as well as RCIA instruction, I have never heard that claim being made. :confused:
 
Robert_Sock said:
It’s from Hasidim, which I should have stated. That this is what they believe, we should take note of it without necessarily believing it.
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A priest was asked the question of whether angels have free will and his answer is that during a probation period, right after being created, they did indeed have a free will. But once they choose God, they now can only choose what is good.
 
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A priest was asked the question of whether angels have free will and his answer is that during a probation period, right after being created, they did indeed have a free will. But once they choose God, they now can only choose what is good.
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Just to clarify. Angels didn’t lose free will after they chose to be good or evil. It’s just that because they don’t have bodies that change like we do once they have committed to something using their intellect, having all the information before them to make the choice, they never swerve from that choice. Its not that God is forcing them to remain to be good or evil. They chose to be that way.

Similarly, in heaven we still have free will, but we choose freely to be good. We are not being coerced to be good in heaven.
 
fisherman_carl said:
No. Angels didn’t lose free will after they chose to be good or evil. It’s just that because they don’t have bodies that change like we do once they have committed to something using their intellect, having all the information before them to make the choice, they never swerve from that choice. Its not that God is forcing them to remain to be good or evil. They chose to be that way.

Similarly, in heaven we still have free will, but we choose freely to be good. We are not being coerced to be good in heaven.
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You may be correct, I honestly do not know because the issue is so fuzzy. On the bright side, I doubt that this will impact God’s judgement of us regardless of the position we take on this issue.
 
Robert_Sock said:
You may be correct, I honestly do not know because the issue is so fuzzy. On the bright side, I doubt that this will impact God’s judgement of us regardless of the position we take on this issue.
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That may be correct, only theologians and demonologists will have advanced knowledge on specific issues like this, but in the interest of presenting the facts as the Magisterium teaches them (as Obsidion has marked themselves as “Catholic”), I guess we need to try and present our answers from an orthodox and Catholic point of view so as to not confuse the OP. 🙂
 
Robert_Sock said:
You may be correct, I honestly do not know because the issue is so fuzzy. On the bright side, I doubt that this will impact God’s judgement of us regardless of the position we take on this issue.
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I am mostly going from what I heard by Fr. Mitch Pacwa. Plus, it makes philosophical sense that the angels if they had been given the power of free will that they would maintain this power, as God gave it to them for a reason. And not just to make one choice, and then to revoke it as if they couldn’t be trusted to keep it.
 
fisherman_carl said:
I am mostly going from what I heard by Fr. Mitch Pacwa. Plus, it makes philosophical sense that the angels if they had been given the power of free will that they would maintain this power, as God gave it to them for a reason. And not just to make one choice, and then to revoke it as if they couldn’t be trusted to keep it.
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Fr. Pacwa, S.J. is a trustworthy source, so this info is probably legit. 👍
 
Robert_Sock said:
Angels usually do not have free will, except the Archangels, one of which was Satan.
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Satan is not an angel. Satan has free will to do evil or good but he selected the evil because of ego which made him to think he is most pre eminent. Satan is Jinn(evil spirit). Satan was among and with angels and also Satan was chief among angels. In Qur’an it is said Satan was created from kind of fire. Angels were created from kinds of light. And God sent Satan away after he disobeyed God.

Angels are good spirits who allways obey what God order.
 
Angels have free will. They made their choice. The angels that chose God obtained the beatific vision, something that Satan and the other fallen angels never received. Once you’ve seen the beatific vision though, it’s impossible to turn from God. Not because you lose your free will, but because once you’ve seen perfection and goodness itself, a finite being could have no doubts or desire to lose it. Any rational being would be fulfilled by such access to God.
 
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