Biker Sues Waco, McLennan County, Alleges Unconstitutional Arrest, Detention

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agnes_therese said:
So, you don’t believe in having proof of a crime? Just lock people up for their T-shirts? :rolleyes:
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There is more than enough proof to lock most it not all of these people in prison for years and years. Both the bandidtos and the cossack are criminal organizations that are involved in drug, prositution, extortion, murder, and the list can go on and on.
 
philipl said:
There is more than enough proof to lock most it not all of these people in prison for years and years. Both the bandidtos and the cossack are criminal organizations that are involved in drug, prositution, extortion, murder, and the list can go on and on.
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This is why both of these groups have been involved in safe-driving campaigns??

ridesafeintexas.homestead.com/Proclamations2013.html

So, your assertion that prosecutors have proof, I find to be uncertain.
 
philipl said:
There is more than enough proof to lock most it not all of these people in prison for years and years. Both the bandidtos and the cossack are criminal organizations that are involved in drug, prositution, extortion, murder, and the list can go on and on.
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The first statement is not true, or else warrants would have already been out for individual members. The second statement is true, though criminal prosecutions requires tying individuals to specific crimes. In this case, it would take proving that they were gang members and the gang showed up with the intention to commit the crimes. This might be doable. It would reflect the charges of criminal conspiracy.
 
The Cossacks also helped build a playground. If it is so sure, there is enough to put them away, not sure why they are out working on see-saws.
 
Path_Finder said:
The Cossacks also helped build a playground. If it is so sure, there is enough to put them away, not sure why they are out working on see-saws.
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That proves these men are christians and god fearing. All those Drug dealers in Mexico that prove all those wonderful things, is proof they are doing nothing wrong. The facts are, these two gangs are criminal gangs and they are involved in criminal activity. The time has come, just like it has for MS-13, to rid Texas of these gangs.
 
Good article and interview about the incident from Breitbart
Law Enforcement Response to Waco Shooting Raises Constitutional Questions [breitbart.com/texas/2015/06/08/law-enforcement-response-to-waco-shooting-raises-constitutional-questions/](http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2015/06/08/law-enforcement-response-to-waco-shooting-raises-constitutional-questions/)
 
philipl said:
That proves these men are christians and god fearing. All those Drug dealers in Mexico that prove all those wonderful things, is proof they are doing nothing wrong. The facts are, these two gangs are criminal gangs and they are involved in criminal activity. The time has come, just like it has for MS-13, to rid Texas of these gangs.
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I’ll bet the number of outlaw bikers in Texas is a smidgeon compared to the number of Cartel gang members. If there are priorities, get rid of those members first. Difficult to be done.
 
This is now on a tangent, all Americans have the same right, in theory, to a trial by jury.

One can not assert also, that there is enough proof to jail these members, the Cossacks are probably small-fish in the whole scenario of organized crime.
A dream playground
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Richard Hernandez, with Cossack Motorcycle Club, on left, Will Bradford with the Scimitars Motorcycle Club, bottom right, and Bernardo Ronan, an installer with Walk in the Park Construction, work on putting together a Dream Playground Saturday at the Odessa Family YMCA Park.
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Cossacks last I looked aren’t even included in the FBI’s list of gangs. I’m not even sure if we know that much about them.

As always, it is proper to let the justice system do their duty; or else, you could have threats against law officers.
 
Path_Finder said:
I’ll bet the number of outlaw bikers in Texas is a smidgeon compared to the number of Cartel gang members. If there are priorities, get rid of those members first. Difficult to be done.
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This is a false dichotomy. Both are bad. Both are prosecuted when they can be. If drug cartels engage in a shootout at a public restaurant, I have no doubt that they would be treated the same way.
 
The entire incident look’s extremely suspicious and the numbers of people who are of that opinion are growing.
 
Seamus_L said:
Good article and interview about the incident from Breitbart
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                                                   Law Enforcement Response to Waco Shooting Raises Constitutional Questions [breitbart.com/texas/2015/06/08/law-enforcement-response-to-waco-shooting-raises-constitutional-questions/](http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2015/06/08/law-enforcement-response-to-waco-shooting-raises-constitutional-questions/)
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There is a lot of ignorance in this article. For example:
Ware explained the proper procedure of identifying the individuals where reasonable suspicion suggests criminal activity. We then investigate what, if any, crimes they may have committed, and then obtaining an arrest warrant for those actually involved in crimes.
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This has never applied to on sight arrests. Can you imagine allowing an armed robbery to progress through to the end, then following through later to find the guilty party? If police are present, or called, to a scene of a crime, and the perpetrators are still present, the arrest is always made without a warrant, filing instead a probable cause complaint.
 
Seamus_L said:
The entire incident look’s extremely suspicious and the numbers of people who are of that opinion are growing.
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I do not understand. You have been posting news articles pointing out that information is not being released. How can a growing opinion have any credence if there is not more information? The only way that can happen is that opinions based on ignorance are becoming more prevalent. But then, that is the bread and butter of the internet.
 
I think it’s a combination of reasons. The claims of the AP reporter who watched film recorded by security cameras, the witness reports of all the semi-automatic gun fire, the initial statements from police spokesman Patrick Swanton that made this sound like a mass gathering of outlaw bikers, when it was a legal monthly meeting. I’m sure many people are also basing there opinions on things they were told by people who were present that didn’t end up in jail.
 
Seamus_L said:
I think it’s a combination of reasons. The claims of the AP reporter who watched film recorded by security cameras, the witness reports of all the semi-automatic gun fire, the initial statements from police spokesman Patrick Swanton that made this sound like a mass gathering of outlaw bikers, when it was a legal monthly meeting. I’m sure many people are also basing there opinions on things they were told by people who were present that didn’t end up in jail.
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I’m waiting for more info, but realize witnesses hearing semi-auto gunfire doesn’t really mean much. The vast majority of handguns carried for self defense are semi-autos.

As for meetings- could have been two meetings. Sorry, I’m speculating. Some spots tend to be natural gathering places for riders regardless of whether they are in clubs or not. There are a couple of places just before the twisties (canyons) in San Diego County where lots of riders stop either at the beginning or end of their ride. It is possible that there was a meeting of a couple outlaw biker clubs at the same time that there was a meeting of the CCO&I at a spot that happened to be at the beginning/end of a nice route folks like to ride. Not enough info…
 
Seamus_L said:
The entire incident look’s extremely suspicious and the numbers of people who are of that opinion are growing.
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When these losers go to court, we are going to find that most of them belong in jail for a very long period of time.
 
philipl said:
When these losers go to court, we are going to find that most of them belong in jail for a very long period of time.
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Remember that God judges us by the standard we judge others. Would you like to be thought of as a loser by rude internet posters?
 
pnewton said:
This is a false dichotomy. Both are bad. Both are prosecuted when they can be. If drug cartels engage in a shootout at a public restaurant, I have no doubt that they would be treated the same way.
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Read original post. It is a true dichotomy.
 
pnewton said:
Why is this a news story. Of course the police are not answering questions, at least every question. That is what investigators do in an on-going investigation. That is also what civil defendants do when they are sued. If it was any one but police doing what everyone else does, this would not be questioned.
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Only other law agencies do what the police do. False comparison.
 
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