Billboards proclaiming ‘Jesus is Muslim’ getting people upset

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How blessed these muslims are to live in the USA…

To have the freedom spout pure B.S. must be protected and has been protected with blood. My ancestors blood. Hope they appreciate that fact.

religious freedom and political freedom is taken for granted by most…
“Some gave some and Some gave ALL” for the high price of our freedoms today.

A Muslim leader made a prophecy to one of JPII delegates at an interfaith conference in the middle east, after a faith discussion the Muslim leader stood up before all present directed towards the Pope’s representative and said; " By your own Western Liberal Laws Islam will conquer you".

According to the Muslim leadership, Islam is not in the west to keep or exercise our freedom and liberties. According to the quote; Islam is in the West to conquer the West from our liberties and liberal laws. This makes one think due to our liberal marriage laws, abortion laws, illegal stem research etc…the Muslim prophecy, should Islam conquer? Islam would never allow same sex marriage, abortion etc, etc… Islam would have to conquer in order to change these liberal laws today, or we Christians have to stop voting for them. Islam conquers by outnumbering the Christian faithful in their own countries, thereby changing the laws to Islam. For example; Europe and Ireland today.

So as not to defray the OP. Islam billboards is an invitation to Islam. What is surprising is that Islam like Protestantism. Will never teach Islam on it’s own merits. Islam’s billboard invitation is to draw ignorant Christians. So that Islam can teach them a distorted and heretical Arian view of Christianity.

Islam does not teach Islam to the ignorant. Islam focuses on converting the ingnorant by teaching them Islam’s distorted view of Jesus and Christianity at the same time falsely interpreting sacred scripture, and insisting that Christians for 2000 years got it all wrong. For the ignorant, Islam convinces them almost every time, using common sense and reason without faith. Islam’s strategy has a high conversion rate due to this falsification of the gospels of Jesus Christ and are converting many in Europe and in the America’s.

In fact, the demographics in Detroit Michigan has the Muslim community out populating the Christians growth today. For a Muslim to blatantly post a billboard advertising a false Jesus in a Country built on Christians morals, only reveals our liberal laws protecting them and places the blindfolds or a pretended fear of violating our own Constitution, should a Christian protest.

Our protest should not be to reject Islam, our protest should be to educate and evangelize the True Jesus. Yet we have our Liberal laws that prevent Christians from proclaiming Jesus Christ to such false hoods publicly, including this Catholic forum by it’s rules.

Peace be with you
 
Jesus IS a “muslim”…“one who submits to God”. Abraham was muslim as well…as were all the prophets and apostles. They all were known for “submitting to God”…aka “being muslim”.

Those who follow Islam are “Muslim” and “muslim”.
 
Jesus IS a “muslim”…“one who submits to God”. Abraham was muslim as well…as were all the prophets and apostles. They all were known for “submitting to God”…aka “being muslim”.

Those who follow Islam are “Muslim” and “muslim”.
Jesus is a Muslim because Jesus fulfilled the will of His Father as being viewed by Muslims as an Islamic Muslim faith of submission to God?

That’s like saying Monkeys are human because they have fingers and toes or because Monkeys can walk on two legs.

Islam “submission”= Muslim (one who submits) is never the same as Abrahams faith and obedience to God.

Islam’s submission is from the outer and has to be seen. The Christian submission to God is done without reward, without the need for public viewing of their submission to God from the outer, but ends from with in the soul and the spirit of the heart of the faithful that is not seen in public, but get’s revealed from the works of the faith.

In short; Islam’s submission is for gain from the outer self showing the submission, that reaps a temporal reward which perishes.

Whereas the Christians’ submission is done from faith in the Love of God love of neighbor, which is of the eternal spirit, which graduates into that eternal reward of eternal life.

Abraham’s faith still lives; where as Muhammad’s submission died with Muhammad.

Peace be with you
 
Jesus is a Muslim because Jesus fulfilled the will of His Father as being viewed by Muslims as an Islamic Muslim faith of submission to God?

That’s like saying Monkeys are human because they have fingers and toes or because Monkeys can walk on two legs.

Islam “submission”= Muslim (one who submits) is never the same as Abrahams faith and obedience to God.

Islam’s submission is from the outer and has to be seen. The Christian submission to God is done without reward, without the need for public viewing of their submission to God from the outer, but ends from with in the soul and the spirit of the heart of the faithful that is not seen in public, but get’s revealed from the works of the faith.

In short; Islam’s submission is for gain from the outer self showing the submission, that reaps a temporal reward which perishes.

Whereas the Christians’ submission is done from faith in the Love of God love of neighbor, which is of the eternal spirit, which graduates into that eternal reward of eternal life.

Abraham’s faith still lives; where as Muhammad’s submission died with Muhammad.

Peace be with you
Ahhh…so “we” define what “muslim” means instead of a Muslim?

Jesus, John the Baptizer, Simon Peter, James the Just were all “muslim”, they “submitted to God”, our Muslim friends are using their words and terminology to make a…IMO…valid statement. They see themselves in the long line of “those who submit” to the will of God…hence…“muslim”.🙂
 
Maybe someone should have told Mohammed that he was in the Bible, it most probably would have come as a shock also, as he had no relatives alive or dead in the Bible, one can always follow an invisible thread, if your stupid to believe a bit like the Emperor who wore no clothes and everyone congratulated him looking so splendid in his splendid suit, shoes , etc. He made every believe that he was wearing clothes when he naked, imagine the shock when someone pointed this fact out -
 
Actually the billboard is inaccurate even by Muslim standards. It should be Isa is Muslim

MJ.
 
Jesus said there would be no more prophets after Him, the only ones that will come will be false. Muhammad came after, thus being false.
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Can you provide the actual quote, where Jesus said this?
 
Jesus IS a “muslim”…“one who submits to God”. Abraham was muslim as well…as were all the prophets and apostles. They all were known for “submitting to God”…aka “being muslim”.

Those who follow Islam are “Muslim” and “muslim”.
Ok, Im a muslim but I reject Mohammed as a prophet. 👍

MJ
 
Publisher;11859997]Ahhh…so “we” define what “muslim” means instead of a Muslim?
The definition of Muslim is one who surrenders and submits to the laws of God. Where do you get “we” define what “muslim” means?

FYI, anyone can fall under the definition of Muslim, including nature because nature obeys the laws of God and surrenders to it, are you getting the picture yet?

Don’t be fooled and fall into the entrapment of the forked tongue definition of Muslim when being applied to Jesus and the Old Testament Patriarchates, which is the interpretation of Muslim as one who surrenders and submits to the laws of God. We should keep the definition simple as it applies to Islam.

If your reaching into a definition that Jesus and Abraham practiced Islam and followed Muhammad, you have bumped your head and lack the reality
of fact and history.

Once you come to terms of a Muslim is one who surrenders to the laws of God, just being and living or die-ing makes anyone a Muslim, because our nature obeys and submits to the laws of God.

Once a Muslim from Islam convinces the ignorant of what a Muslim is. The ignorant falls victim to the enlightenment of Islam. That is why a true biblical scholar cannot protest the billboard without looking like a bigot. Because advertising Jesus was a Muslim has a forked tongue.
Jesus, John the Baptizer, Simon Peter, James the Just were all “muslim”, they “submitted to God”, our Muslim friends are using their words and terminology to make a…IMO…valid statement. They see themselves in the long line of “those who submit” to the will of God…hence…“muslim”.🙂
I don’t see it the way you are viewing the definition of Muslim. Your view appears as a straw man to a Muslim of Islam.

Simply put Jesus never follows Islam nor subjected himself to Muhammed, thus Jesus was never a Muslim of Islam. Would be the correct wording to distinguish the difference of a Muslim from a Muslim of Islam.

In conclusion, Jesus is never a Muslim, because all of God’s laws obey Jesus. For example, raising the dead, calming the storm, the catching of fish at his command, healing the sick, giving sight to the man born blind etc.

I hope I cleared up the bigotry on this subject.

Peace be with you
 
Jesus IS a “muslim”…“one who submits to God”. Abraham was muslim as well…as were all the prophets and apostles. They all were known for “submitting to God”…aka “being muslim”.

Those who follow Islam are “Muslim” and “muslim”.
Jesus doesnt submit to God, Jesus IS God.

Therefore, Jesus isnt Muslim or muslim.
 
In the strictest sense, Jesus did indeed practice “Islam”…he was in submission to God. No one is claing Jesus was a member of the organized religious movement if the Arabic religion of Islam. Derived from the word “sal-am” which is akin to “shalom”, while we may wish to translate them as “peace” they have a much deeper meaning in the Semetic languages with connotations of “wholeness”. “completeness”…“well being” …“obedience”…“submission”.

So yes Jesus did indeed live not only according to the Law of God, which is a portion of the word “muslim”" but submission and obedience to the Will of God.

Did those great men of faith in the Bible live in submission to the will of God? If yes, they were “muslim”…not members if the organized religious movement called Islam…but “muslim” as “one who submits”. Even creation has been called “muslim” …so you were right on in your observation.

This is no longer a predominantly controlled by Christian ideas a and beliefs. Jesus is not the property of Christianity. We live in a multi-cultural society and are in the “growing stages” of other faith traditions being allowed to advertise and state their beliefs on bill boards as those Christian billboards do throughout the Midwest and South attest to.

They have the constitutional right to express the tenets of their faith within society as Christians do…even using billboards to do it.

Perhaps Jesus wasn’t Muslim according to your Christian beliefs…but it wasn’t Christians stating a belief about Jesus, it was Muslims doing so, and.while in the strictest sense of the word Jesus was muslim…in Islams view he was also Muslim, as Islam according to their beliefs was practiced by Abraham…not a Jewish belief, nor a Christian one, but definitely a Muslim one.
 
Jesus doesnt submit to God, Jesus IS God.

Therefore, Jesus isnt Muslim or muslim.
So when it is recorded in scripture that Jesus said he came to do the will of his Father, he really didn’t mean it?🙂

Jesus by claiming to do ,“submit to”, the the will of his Father, claimed to be muslim, one who submits.

Did Jesus claim to submit himself to his Father? A “yes” or “no” will do.
 
So when it is recorded in scripture that Jesus said he came to do the will of his Father, he really didn’t mean it?🙂

Jesus by claiming to do ,“submit to”, the the will of his Father, claimed to be muslim, one who submits.

Did Jesus claim to submit himself to his Father? A “yes” or “no” will do.
Surely is specious to suggest Jesus was a Muslim while maintaining he was actually something else from what the word means history. If we are going to be loose with the word Muslim, one who submits to god, sure he was a Muslim, but then again it becomes meaningless as everyone who is not an atheist or agnostic is then a Muslim.

Muslim, beyond the strict meaning has a historical connotation to it, involving the beliefs of certain doctrines, belief in certain prophets, belief in certain morals, belief in a Unitarian God and etc. We could add to the discussion that in order to be a Muslim one must believe Jesus did not die on the cross but rather another took his place. Did Jesus believe in those things? Did he believe in a Unitarian God whom he was wholly submitted and could not equal? Or did he believe himself to be God brought into the world for the sake of the world? That his mere presence was enough to prohibit fasting?

Your being silly when you insist on calling Jesus a Muslim because it looses all meaning once you get the Christian to concede your use of the word Muslim which means something totally different to the Muslims who say Jesus was a Muslim.

Unless Quakers believe in Islam, in which case your simply wrong.
 
Publisher;11861607]In the strictest sense, Jesus did indeed practice “Islam”…he was in submission to God.
Jesus was born of a Jewish Mother, and practiced the Jewish faith from His birth to His death and resurrection. Islam never existed yet, nor was it ever heard of for the next 700 years after the resurrection.
No one is claing Jesus was a member of the organized religious movement if the Arabic religion of Islam.
I don’t follow your own contradiction in trying to use language semantics to prove Jesus was an Islamic practicing Muslim; sorry?:🤷

Tempting as it is,🙂 I am not going to get into the semantics of the languages here, that is why I asked to keep it simple as the subject relates to Islam. Your approach introduces confusion and out of context of the OP.
So yes Jesus did indeed live not only according to the Law of God, which is a portion of the word “muslim”" but submission and obedience to the Will of God.
The billboard reads; “Jesus was a Muslim”. It does not read Jesus was a Muslim who practiced Islam. Your intent appears to be damaging or changing the subject of Muslim one who surrenders to the laws of God, to the tenants of Islam which is another subject which I have not introduced nor the OP. Submission to the laws of the God is a world of difference of one in obedience to the will of God.

You place Islam in blasphemy by claiming Islam knows the will of God by assuming that Islam is obedient to the will of God. In retrospect, I don’t even want to ask you where did you get the followers of Islam are obedient to the will of God as If Islam a Johnny come lately religion knows the will of God?
Did those great men of faith in the Bible live in submission to the will of God?
Those great men had faith who obeyed the laws of God that were divinely given, that did not make them Muslim, that made them Jews. Their humanity and all of nature naturally obeyed the creation laws of God, which in Aramaic is called Muslim. Don’t confuse the decalogue which is Jewish with the natural laws of God of obedience and submission that all of creation follows.
This is no longer a predominantly controlled by Christian ideas a and beliefs. Jesus is not the property of Christianity.
True Jesus is not the property of Christianity, but Christianity is the property of Jesus who is our head. Your “predominantly controlled” language has political motivated tendencies and does not serve my purpose here nor does it interests my religious belief’s here.
We live in a multi-cultural society and are in the “growing stages” of other faith traditions being allowed to advertise and state their beliefs on bill boards as those Christian billboards do throughout the Midwest and South attest to
.

Let me help you by giving you a reality check. The Catholic Church has existed these 2000 years since Pentecost, she has lived in every place in the past and known world. She has more diversed languages, cultures, peoples, nations and tribes all united as one faith. The Catholic Church is much older than the Unite States and all of America and much older than most countries today, she knows "multi-cultural societies, the Catholic Church has seen them come and go. That is far as I will go in response with your present day political tendencies of religion.
Perhaps Jesus wasn’t Muslim according to your Christian beliefs…but it wasn’t Christians stating a belief about Jesus, it was Muslims doing so, and.while in the strictest sense of the word Jesus was muslim…in Islams view he was also Muslim, as Islam according to their beliefs was practiced by Abraham…not a Jewish belief, nor a Christian one, but definitely a Muslim one.
The first Century Jews, pagans and Christians all knew Jesus to be a Jew. Where do you get the Idea that Jesus was a practicing Muslim of Islam? When Islam never existed in the first century.

Your language semantics does not justify your false claims here. I don’t buy it, and I think any reasonable mind would reject your language semantics to prove Jesus was a practicing Islamic Muslim that held to the tenants of Islam.

You have introduced the Will of God as a tenant of Islam in obedience. That is a far cry of surrendering and obeying the laws of God = Muslim and pretending that Islam knows the will of God as if to be obedient to the will of God, when Islam claims to be a slave which is a far cry from the Son being the only begotten of the Father. A Son is never a Slave, a Slave is Islam. Jesus is The Son of God revealed in the Son of man.

Jesus on the other hand can never be by of your Islamic language semantics either. For one Jesus incarnate does the will of His Father because Jesus is the only begotten Son of God. Jesus is never a slave to His Father. When Islam claims to be a slave of God, Islam is never a Son of God, thereby Islam can never know the will of God.

Because scripture teaches a slave does not know his master, but lives in obedience to his master for his wage, that is Islam’s obedience to God’s will.

A Son knows His Father and it pleases the Son to do His Father’s will, the relationship between the Father and the Son is Love and the obedience of the will of the Father to the Son is done out of Love, never a slave like Islam is to It’s master.

You got Jesus being a slave “Islam” in obedience to the will of the master. Jesus will is the Father’s will, for the Son loves the Father and the Father loves the Son.

Peace be with you
 
Did Jesus claim to submit himself to his Father? A “yes” or “no” will do.
Jesus submitted to his Father. Yes!

But He also stated : Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son. John 5:22

Thus the Islamic “Muslim” didn’t exist at the time of Jesus.

MJ
 
Jesus IS a “muslim”…“one who submits to God”. Abraham was muslim as well…as were all the prophets and apostles. They all were known for “submitting to God”…aka “being muslim”.

Those who follow Islam are “Muslim” and “muslim”.
Your, and the billboard’s, view is contradicted by Islam itself which does not classify Jews and Christians as Muslim, but as “People of the Book.” This view also is invalidated by a proper usage of the term. Being a Muslim includes more than just submitting to God. According to Islamic theology there are actually 5 items a person must do in order to be considered a Muslim. The only way one can consider the statement “Jesus is a Muslim” as accurate is if one uses a very shallow and non-standard definition of the term and one ignores basic Islamic theology. Using the same standards in defining a word, I could very well claim that the Native Americans who lived thousands of years ago in what is now the United States were US citizens.
 
Holy wordplay, Batman!

One who submits his will to God is now called a muslim? Wouldn’t that make muslim a verb? Ie:

muslim, to: submitting of person’s own will to a diety

Satan sure loves choas.
 
The definition of Muslim is one who surrenders and submits to the laws of God. Where do you get “we” define what “muslim” means?

FYI, anyone can fall under the definition of Muslim, including nature because nature obeys the laws of God and surrenders to it, are you getting the picture yet?
And that is what God teaches us in the Quran, everything submits willingly to God except man. ** So Islam is an invitation to man to submit to God.**

God says, **“Do you not see that God is He, Whom obeys whoever is in the heavens and whoever is in the earth, and the sun and the moon and the stars, and the mountains and the trees, and the animals and many of the people; and many there are against whom chastisement has become necessary; and whomsoever God abases, there is none who can make him honorable; surely God does what He pleases.” ** (24:41)

Islam is about God, for God, with God, to God. God is the central theme of Islam.

God also says, “I have created the jinn and humankind only for My worship.” (Quran 51:56)

Our purpose is to be in continuous worship of God. Worship how?

Prophet Muhammad said, **“Worship God as though you see Him, (because you see Him), and if not that He see you.” **(Al Bukari)

Prophet Muhammad also said, "Be mindful of God and God will be mindful of you. Be mindful of God and you will find Him in front of you. Know God in times of ease and He will know you in times of hardship. When you ask, ask God, when you seek help, seek help from God. The pens have been lifted and the pages have dried. Know that if the entire world (all created things) gathered together to benefit you with something, they would only benefit you with something that God had already written for you. If they gathered together to harm you with something, they would only harm you with something that God had already written against you. Know that great good lies in bearing with patience what you dislike, that victory comes with patience, that relief comes with distress, and that with hardship comes ease." (Musnad Ahmad-Sahih)

Islam is about God, submission to Him and Him alone.

And God knows best.
 
So when it is recorded in scripture that Jesus said he came to do the will of his Father, he really didn’t mean it?🙂

Jesus by claiming to do ,“submit to”, the the will of his Father, claimed to be muslim, one who submits.

Did Jesus claim to submit himself to his Father? A “yes” or “no” will do.
Jesus and the Father are one in the same.
 
Your, and the billboard’s, view is contradicted by Islam itself which does not classify Jews and Christians as Muslim, but as “People of the Book.” This view also is invalidated by a proper usage of the term. Being a Muslim includes more than just submitting to God. According to Islamic theology there are actually 5 items a person must do in order to be considered a Muslim. The only way one can consider the statement “Jesus is a Muslim” as accurate is if one uses a very shallow and non-standard definition of the term and one ignores basic Islamic theology. Using the same standards in defining a word, I could very well claim that the Native Americans who lived thousands of years ago in what is now the United States were US citizens.
While Muslims believe all prophets (Jesus, Muhammad, Abraham etc) were Muslims, we do not necessarily class their followers as such, because they have deviated from the original message of their prophets.

From a Muslim perspective, Christians have deviated from the Message of Christ, by equating Jesus to God. Jesus said, “My Father is greater than I” [John 14:28] but Christians made Jesus equal to God. Both the Father and Jesus are 100% God, equal. Jesus never taught this, thus did not submit to his teachings. Thus from a Muslim perspective, Christians aren’t worthy of the title, Muslim, and are called People of the Book.

Sure Jesus said, **“I and my Father are one.” ** but in the context, that we are Gods too, when Jesus said, “Is it not written in your law, I said Ye are Gods.”

This word Gods, is Elohim. And Moses too was called Elohim (God), Exodus 7:1. Elohim (God) created the heavens and the earth, Genesis 1:1. There is a context for everything.

And God knows best.
 
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