Call it Mass if you believe in Real Presence

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EvangelCatholic said:
My recommendation for Lutherans and Anglicans [motley as they are, per GKC] is to exclusively refer to the Sacrament as holy Mass in order to assert/ proclaim the Real Presence, as Catholics and Orthodox do.

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…yes, actually. We Orthodox call it Divine Liturgy. I don’t think I’ve ever heard any Orthodox refer to DL as “Mass”. Lumping us under the RC “big tent” as if it proves some point against any other Christians is a little off-putting, thanks. 🙂
 
KnitNut said:
…yes, actually. We Orthodox call it Divine Liturgy. I don’t think I’ve ever heard any Orthodox refer to DL as “Mass”. Lumping us under the RC “big tent” as if it proves some point against any other Christians is a little off-putting, thanks. 🙂
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Sorry for my mistake. I do not know the Eastern Church very well but do know that Orthodox and Lutherans believe the following:
d. Orthodox and Lutherans agree that the Eucharist is also a gift of communion granted to us by Christ. In this communion we are fully united with Him and with the members of His Body. The “how”of the mystery remains inexplicable, but the “what” is clearly confessed in faith and thanksgiving. As John of Damascus says, “… if you enquire how this happens, it is enough for you to learn that it was through the Holy Spirit, just as the Lord took on Himself flesh that subsisted in Him and was born of the holy Mother of God through the Spirit” (Exposition of the Orthodox Faith, 4, 13).
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  1. Lutheran and Orthodox traditions each stress proper preparation for participation in the Eucharist. For both this involves preparatory prayers and Confession and forgiveness of sins, which for Orthodox is the sacrament of penance. For Orthodox, preparation also includes fasting; for Lutherans fasting is not required but often practiced. Both agree that the Eucharist must be administered properly/canonically and only by ordained ministers.
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  1. Lutherans and Orthodox take the Lord’s words “this is my body; this is my blood” (Mt 26,27f, par.) literally. They believe that in the Eucharist the bread and wine become Christ’s body and blood to be consumed by the communicants. How this happens is regarded by both as a profound and real mystery. In order to approach that mystery, Orthodox and Lutherans have drawn on their respective theological traditions and developed different insights on what takes place.
    ecupatria.org/DIALOGUES/LUTHERAN/bratislava2006.htm
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KnitNut said:
…yes, actually. We Orthodox call it Divine Liturgy. I don’t think I’ve ever heard any Orthodox refer to DL as “Mass”. Lumping us under the RC “big tent” as if it proves some point against any other Christians is a little off-putting, thanks. 🙂
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I was going to make the same point (well, almost: I was going to talk about ECs rather than EOs). :cool:
 
Celtic_Maiden said:
If you don’t like Catholic words around you and this is a Catholic Forum then you should go to a Lutheran Forum where your ears wont be offended !!!
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No, I hope the person who she is responding to, “House”, does continue here on CAF. We would benefit from their (name removed by moderator)ut.
 
EvangelCatholic said:
There are healthy debates/ discussions concerning the sacraments w/ several different viewpoints on the Eucharist. Christians who believe in a literal presence of Christ in the Host and Chalice may call it transubstantiation/ consubstantiation/ sacramental union/ “metabole”. These Christians also believe that we receive forgiveness of sin and eternal life when taking holy Communion.

Among Lutherans, there are several names for the Mass; the most common in America is Holy Communion but also the Eucharist, Lord’s Supper/ Holy Supper, Blessed Sacrament, etc. Many other Protestants also use some of these terms for the Mass yet do not believed in the Real Presence and are very unlikely to call it Mass. Roman Catholics and Orthodox also refer to the Mass as the Holy Eucharist.

My recommendation for Lutherans and Anglicans [motley as they are, per GKC] is to exclusively refer to the Sacrament as holy Mass in order to assert/ proclaim the Real Presence, as Catholics and Orthodox do.

Any thoughts?
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Sounds good to me. But Orthodox who believe in Transubstantiation, usually say Divine Liturgy instead of Mass.
 
Here’s my formula - I use the term that annoys my audience the most.

Around Evangelicals: Mass.

Around Seventh Day Adventists: Sabbath Service.

Around Baptists: Most Holy Mass.

Around Catholics: Divine Service.

Around Jehovah’s Witnesses: Service with Jesus Blood.

Around Orthodox from places where Germany recently waged war against them: Gottesdienst.

Around High Church Anglicans: The sing song time where with a light snack of bread and wine.
 
Other gestures such as kneeling, genuflection, sanctus bells, incense help express the Real Presence. I am sad whenever I read about another parish eliminating incense because of allergies.
 
benjohnson said:
Here’s my formula - I use the term that annoys my audience the most.

Around Evangelicals: Mass.

Around Seventh Day Adventists: Sabbath Service.

Around Baptists: Most Holy Mass.

Around Catholics: Divine Service.

Around Jehovah’s Witnesses: Service with Jesus Blood.

Around Orthodox from places where Germany recently waged war against them: Gottesdienst.

Around High Church Anglicans: The sing song time where with a light snack of bread and wine.
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You’re bad.

GKC
 
benjohnson said:
Here’s my formula - I use the term that annoys my audience the most.

Around Evangelicals: Mass.

Around Seventh Day Adventists: Sabbath Service.

Around Baptists: Most Holy Mass.

Around Catholics: Divine Service.

Around Jehovah’s Witnesses: Service with Jesus Blood.

Around Orthodox from places where Germany recently waged war against them: Gottesdienst.

Around High Church Anglicans: The sing song time where with a light snack of bread and wine.
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:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

So what do you do in an ecumenical setting Ben? :eek:
 
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