Cardinal Schönborn: a Council Could Approve of Female Ordinations - OnePeterFive

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Cardinal Schönborn: a Council Could Approve of Female Ordinations

During Easter, not only did a German priest and monk declare that he could well imagine a female pope in the future, but Cardinal Christoph Schönborn – whom Pope Francis has called a “great theologian”…
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Some people are really in a very big hurry to push through whatever they’ve always wanted while this pope is still pope.
 
KMG said:
Some people are really in a very big hurry to push through whatever they’ve always wanted while this pope is still pope.
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He didn’t say “should,” or “will.” Pure speculation on his part.
 
It has been a hallmark of some in this papacy to throw out test balloons of exactly this sort. And then the silence from the Vatican is deafening. It always follows the same script.
 
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It has been a hallmark of some in this papacy to throw out test balloons of exactly this sort. And then the silence from the Vatican is deafening. It always follows the same script.
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So you know the Cardinal’s heart. Interesting.
 
I agree. The Synod on the family seemed to be a test for reaction to some liberal agendas. Remember the first report? The whole Synod seemed to be about leading up to that footnote in Amoris Laetitia. So now you see liberals using AL to show approval for their various agendas.
 
The original interview is here. There are some very puzzling statements, and at least one very disconcerting one, made here by the Cardinal.

First, Cardinal Schonborn says, “It is inconceivable in many other Christian churches that a woman enters the sanctuary.” Well, it’s actually inconceivable within the Catholic Church, too. I’m referring specifically to the sui iuris Churches of the Byzantine Rite. Women are not allowed to enter the sanctuary in the Byzantine Rite. In fact, barring altar boys, no one who is not already ordained can enter into the sanctuary. When giving tours at the Ruthenian Catholic parish I semi-regularly attend, women and non-ordained men are never allowed to go on the other side of the iconostasis into the sanctuary. They can only look from the other side. He seems to be unaware of this.

Second, he goes on to say that elevating St. Mary Magdalen’s feast shows a “changed state of consciousness”. But, she’s already been revered as an equal to the Apostles for centuries in the Catholic Church, particularly in the East. So really, yes, you can call what Pope Francis did last year in elevating her feast from a memorial to a feast day as “a small thing”, because the Catholic Church has already recognized her as an Apostle to the Apostles, or apostolorum apostola, for centuries.

Third, and most disturbing was this part of the interview:
Does the church need no change? The bishop of Linz, Manfred Scheuer, has recently pleaded for the ordination of married men. Do you share his view?

Organizational issues are important, and I believe there is room for improvement, also necessary potential for change.

What does that mean more specifically?
One of the key issues is the role of women in the church. The religious communities as a whole have a need for development.

What do you want exactly?
For example, a higher proportion of women in senior positions. Although it is not worse off in the Archdiocese of Vienna than in other large organizations. The consecration question is a question that can only be clarified by a council. A pope can not decide that alone. This is too big a question to be cleared from a pope’s desk.

You mean the consecration of women to priestesses?
To deacons, priests, bishops.

At least Pope Francis did not exclude deaconesses. You mean that he could not decide an introduction alone?
I do not think it’s good either. The church is a community, big decisions should be made together.
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Here’s the thing: Pope St. John Paul II already infallibly declared that women could not be ordained. For the Cardinal to clarify that “the consecration question” applies to priests and bishops is very strange. There is no question on this issue of female ordination, so why is he presenting it as such? Furthermore, the pope has not made a “decision” alone. Using the Church’s ordinary magisterium, specifically as defined during the Second Vatican Council, Pope St. John Paul reaffirmed what was already universally taught by the bishops since the beginning of the Church. An ecumenical council isn’t necessary to decide the question because a. there no longer remains any question since we have an answer and b. the exercise of the Church’s ordinary magisterium is enough to pronounce on this issue of women’s ordination infallibly. Despite trying to clarify what he meant by the “consecration question”, Cardinal Schonborn is not making much sense at all.

Since he thinks this is “too big a question to be decided from the pope’s desk”, where does that leave Ordinatio Sacerdotalis, as this basically came right from Pope St. John Paul’s desk? This is an honest question. These comments by the Cardinal are very confusing and very strange.
 
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Because some people believe that every new pope = a chance to reinvent the wheel.
 
The Cardinal seems to be confused regarding the Catholic Faith. The Holy Father can decide such matters.
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These comments by the Cardinal are very confusing and very strange.
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I find that truth is usually clearly stated. Lots of confusing words are usually not truth.
 
There’s a difference between “can” and “should”.

Don’t get me wrong… I can’t see on any level how women’s ordination (except MAYBE the diaconate) could still be an open issue… but, I agree with the Cardinal’s broader points. The historical norm is for major, foundational questions of the faith to be settled by ecumenical councils. The Pope does not rule in a vacuum.
 
Don’t know this cardinal but I do know I don’t trust anything published by One Peter Five
 
Tulitas said:
Don’t know this cardinal but I do know I don’t trust anything published by One Peter Five
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Fantastic. I don’t read it much either. That’s why I posted the link to the original interview, and also quoted from the original, German interview without referring to One Peter Five.

Seriously, we need to stop sticking their heads in the sand when we see something sourced from a site we don’t like or agree with. I dislike national catholic reporter, but I know there’s always a primary source when they cover a story, and I go to the primary source to get the answer. So don’t trust One Peter Five if you don’t want to. Go to the primary source.
 
Dangerous to read stuff that has an agenda though, don’t you think?
 
It can be, so that’s why you have to go past those sites that have an agenda, no matter what side of the spectrum they fall on. Like with this article. They’re saying a Cardinal said that a council could approve female ordinations. But did the Cardinal really say that? What was the context? That’s why we go to the original source, and make up our minds reading from a neutral site presenting the interview instead of from a site with an agenda.
 
So why get all worked up about it? If it sounds outrageous, it likely is.
 
I don’t know, you tell me. Who’s getting worked up about it? I’m not.

Someone posted a story here. It looked like click bait going from the site it came from, and I took the bait and clicked it. I wanted to know what the Cardinal actually said. I went to the primary source. I drew my own conclusions from the primary source and not the biased source.

My whole point in responding to your initial reply was to show that we have no reason to dismiss a story if we don’t like the source. Now that we have the primary source, we can discuss it, since we’re on a forum. If you don’t want to discuss the interview, then you don’t need to. But to come on and simply say you don’t like the OP’s source doesn’t contribute to the discussion. That’s all.
 
A thread on this very same article was closed down less than a week ago.
 
“With regards to the ordination of women, the church has spoken and says no. Pope John Paul [II] said so with a formula that was definitive. That door is closed.”

Pope Francis ,returning from Brazil.
 
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Pope St. John Paul II already infallibly declared that women could not be ordained.
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He didn’t.

It may or may not have been an infallible teaching of the church, but Pope John Paul’s pronouncement was not in and of itself in fallible, and that it wasn’t infallible was confirmed by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, then headed by Cardinal Ratzinger.
 
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