Carmelite Rite Liturgy?

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Does anyone know of a DVD that has the Carmelite rite Mass?

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No, but these rites of privilege (because they were at least 200 years old) that the Council of Trent allowed to be preserved apparently differed in their traditional form far less from the TLM than various celebrations of Mass do today from parish to parish allegedly using the same rite. In a conversation with a Dominican priest of long standing (i.e., he knew the old days too) some years ago, I was informed that the Dominicans had abandoned what he considered to be the trivial variations in their rite entirely and simply adopted the Novus Ordo.
 
Semper Fi:
Does anyone know of a DVD that has the Carmelite rite Mass?

Thanks.
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There are few Carmelite communities left in the world and those that are left I believe only use the Novus Ordo.
 
These Carmelites celebrate the Tridentine Mass:

sistersofcarmel.org/

However, I am not sure if it is the Carmelite variation.

They are nuns, not Carmelite fathers, and have their mass said by some traditionalist (not sure how loyal to the Vatican) group of priests who are not carmelite fathers. This group of priests usually says the regular Tridentine Mass…Im not sure if they use the carmelite variation when saying Mass for the nuns.
 
there is this german independent film comming out called the *great silence. *it is filmed in the mother house for the carthusians in the alps of france. i believe they still celebrate the a distinctive carthusian liturgy. weather or not it has been changed after vatican II i do not know.
 
It looks like they’re associated with Servants of the Holy Family, but both websites are quite vague about their status in the church. The sisters look like they’re located in Colorado Springs, but the only indult in the Colorado Springs Diocese is in Fountain (offerred by FSSP). Anyone have further info?
 
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pm1853:
It looks like they’re associated with Servants of the Holy Family, but both websites are quite vague about their status in the church. The sisters look like they’re located in Colorado Springs, but the only indult in the Colorado Springs Diocese is in Fountain (offerred by FSSP). Anyone have further info?
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I think they are Independent, They used to advertise in the wanderer, for their Traditional calender. My Parish orders them every year. A beautiful calender, by far the best I’ve seen. This year i have one from the Slaves of Mary.
 
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pm1853:
It looks like they’re associated with Servants of the Holy Family, but both websites are quite vague about their status in the church. The sisters look like they’re located in Colorado Springs, but the only indult in the Colorado Springs Diocese is in Fountain (offerred by FSSP). Anyone have further info?
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They are not recognized by the Diocese of Colorado Springs.
Rogue Parish not Roman Catholic

James
 
Semper Fi:
Does anyone know of a DVD that has the Carmelite rite Mass?

Thanks.
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I’m am not aware of anything like. I would love to find one myself.

I think the closest you might be able to come to this is a Dominican Rite Mass. I have heard that there are similarities - for instance the priest standing in a cruciform position during the Canon.

However, having said that the only video of a Dominican Rite Mass that I am aware of is only available on VHS and not on DVD. Also, they made a mistake in the Mass - the priest neglected to stand in the crucifrom position. There may have been other errors as well but I wouldn’t recognize them. But, the video was made in 1995 and the parish still occasionally has Dominicans Rite Masses so I imagine they are much more familiar with the rubrics now.

There are a group of Carmelite monks in Wyoming who offer the Carmelite Rite so I am told.

Also, according to the Latin Liturgy Association, the Carmelite Rite is used daily in a retirement home in San Diego.

Diocese of San Diego Little Flower Haven (Carmelite Retirement Home) 8585 La Mesa Boulevard La Mesa CA 91941 Daily at 7 AM Old Carmelite Rite 619-466-3163
I would think that either of these two groups might be able to point you to a Carmelite Rite Mass on DVD if one exists.
 
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Few???

ocd.pcn.net/ocd/index.htm

And that’s just the Discalced.
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You beat me to the reply.

There are two provinces of Carmelites (Ancient Observance) in the United States, another in Canada.

I have visted 5 different locations where they are active and current live at another. This Easter, over Holy Week, we will travel to Mexico to help out in one of our mission parishes. We also have missions in Peru.

I guess it all comes down to how you define “few”.
 
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pm1853:
Sneaky, sneaky. The least they could do is be honest with us. I’m very curious what the stories behind the Bishops that they have listed are.
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I know very little about them but I would hazard a guess that they probably view their position as being much the same as that of the SSPX - they are already in full communion with Rome because they have never denied any teaching of the Church. But, it is necessary to be in communion with the local Bishop and to place yourself under his authority within his diocese and they obviously haven’t done that.

James
 
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James0235:
There are a group of Carmelite monks in Wyoming who offer the Carmelite Rite so I am told.
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This group is not “officially” part of either the Order of Our Lady of Mt. Carmel (also known as Carmelites of Ancient Observance) or the Order of Carmelites Discalced. So I do not think they could practice the Carmelite Rite even if they wanted to.

This is not to say that this will stay this way.

Just a couple of years ago the Carmelite Hermits in Christoval, Texas were welcomed into the Order of Our Lady of Mt. Carmel under the Superior General in Rome. They started out on their own but were added to the order.

Also, not to be nit picky, but a monk in the Western Church is one who follows the rule of St Benedict. No one else in the Western Church can truely be called a monk, while they may be monastics (or a sort) they can not be called monks.

I learned this in the last formation workshop we had here in Houston.
 
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there is this german independent film comming out called the *great silence. *it is filmed in the mother house for the carthusians in the alps of france. i believe they still celebrate the a distinctive carthusian liturgy. weather or not it has been changed after vatican II i do not know.
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I’d love to see that. The Carthusians are noted for not allowing any visitors except those considering a vocation. I wonder how any film production company managed this.

One always reads that the Carthusians preserve their ancient rite and I assumed they had not even compromised on the use of Latin, but if you visit the website of Parkminster in England, which is unusally forthcoming for a monastery that won’t let you in the front door, they have in fact (alas) adopted extensive use of the vernacular.
 
I would take Rick Ross’ s articles with a grain of salt. He goes around bashing Catholics and Orthodox groups…I know of St. Anthony’s Greek Orthodox monastery which he said the abbot (Elder Ephraim) is a cult leader…why? Because the monks are supposed to listen to their spiritual father the abbot!!

RR obviously has very little idea of either Christian traditions of the West or East or their meanings or historical significance.
 
i believe they still celebrate the a distinctive carthusian liturgy. weather or not it has been changed after vatican II i do not know.
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Im not sure how much, if at all, it was changed. I’ve looked into the Carthusians, and they do still use their own rite, but Im not sure how much it was modified to “conform to the directives resulting from the Second Vatican Council.”

The Carthusian Rite was apparently ALWAYS very similar to what today is the Novus Ordo. It was designed as very bare and sparse to suit monastic life…the original protestants apparently based much of their services on it, and the Novus Ordo apparently drew heavily from it.

The Carthusian liturgical texts available on the internet that I have found resemble the Novus Ordo. But I am not sure if this is their ancient liturgy or one modified after Vatican II, because as I said their liturgy apparently always resembled the novus ordo.

They do use the vernacular now for much of it, though they still do the liturgical chant and the chants of the divine office in latin…Im not sure if they have always used the vernacular or not (I sort of doubt it). Some charterhouses may still use all latin because (due to the classic scaresness of recruits to this most-strict of orders) there is no vernacular because the people come from all over the world.
 
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They are not recognized by the Diocese of Colorado Springs.
Rogue Parish not Roman Catholic

James
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Hi, Please note that these sisters are not a bad group. In fact they are going to be in full communion with Rome as soon as the Holy Father makes his ruling regarding traditional communities as he is doing now with the Society of St. Pius X, and lifting the excommunications.

These sisters just wanted to follow the original rue of St. Teresa, and live according to the ways Carmelite Nuns have lived. I would not continue to ink to things as old as 2004 and bad mouth these Sisters in this way. The Carmelite order has been in opposition to itself before (think of San Juan de a Cruz being kidnapped and imprisoned!)… so although you don’t have to rush out and embrace them, hold your speech.

They do pray for the pope and wish to be recognized by their bishop.
 
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