Catholics and the aclu

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Catholics need to band together to help defeat the ACLU. It is really getting scary to see the stuff that they are getting away with. The latest absurdity, is removing the cross on the Los Angeles County seal. Most of the brain dead county supervisors just roll over and accept this nonsense. But this is only one example. The ACLU has been on a roll and will not stop unless enough decent people stand up and say ENOUGH!! There is no question that the majority of people in this country don’t agree with what they are doing, but most people do nothing. As responsible, moral people we must take action. Write, e-mail, or call the appropriate people when an issue arises that threatens
our religious freedom. As a group we CAN make a difference!!!
 
It often comes down to economics. The ACLU’s mission is to litigate these issues. The institutions that are being targeted, municipalities and states included, often don’t have the resources to spend to defend these issues. What it amounts to is intimidation. Even when something can be defended, such as the cross of the Seal of California, it is easier for the state to declare the issue as trial and cave in.

Under the rules of the game as they exist now I don’t know a way to defend our institutions against the ACLU or other special interest groups.
 
I clipped this statement from the ACLU’s website.

“The ACLU has maintained the position that civil liberties must be respected, even in times of national emergency. The ACLU is supported by annual dues and contributions from its members, plus grants from private foundations and individuals. We do not receive any government funding.”
Because the ACLU is not a political party individuals and special interest groups donations are not monetarily capped.

The groups mission statement is very noble, but some of their practices seem amoral to me, just my opinion.
 
Bud Stewart:
The groups mission statement is very noble, but some of their practices seem amoral to me, just my opinion.
The ACLU doesn’t qualify for sainthood in my conception of same, but the roster of unpopular causes in which they have fought the good fight, on the side of right and against injustice, outweighs the instances in which they have stepped over the line of reason. Just to name a few well-known examples, the ACLU took an active role in the Sacco-Vanzetti case, the trial of the Scottsboro Seven, the Scopes “Monkey” trial, the WWII internment of Japanese-Americans, and Brown v. Board of Education.
From a 1999 ACLU Position Paper:
The ACLU is frequently asked to explain its defense of certain people or groups - particularly controversial and unpopular entities such as the American Nazis, the Ku Klux Klan, and the Nation of Islam. We do not defend them because we agree with them; rather we defend their right to free expression and free assembly. Historically, the people whose opinions are the most controversial or extreme are the people whose rights are most often threatened. Once the government has the power to violate one person’s rights, it can use that power against everyone. We work to stop the erosion of civil liberties before it’s too late.
If, BTW, you fall into any of the following categories (and I defy you to determine that none potentially apply to you), you might want to look in your local paperback bookstore for the applicable ACLU book on the topic - from its “Rights of” series - each is an incredible compendium of useful information on the rights of the named population:

Aliens & Refugees
Authors, Artists, & Other Creative People
Crime Victims
Employees & Union Members
Families
Indians & Tribes
Lesbians & Gay Men
Older Persons
Patients
People Who Are HIV Positive
People with Mental Disabilities
Prisoners
Protestors
Public Employees
Racial Minorities
Students
Women

as well as those on:

Your Right to Government Information;
Your Right to Privacy; and,
Your Right to Religious Liberty

A CNN story a few days ago told of a church group ordered to cease using a local public park, where they were using a creek to perform baptisms. The ACLU is defending the church group’s right to use of the creek for its baptismal ceremonies.

Many years,

Neil
 
Much of the ACLU’s activity that is criticized by Christians deals with government involvement in religion and religious symbolism. Why do people object to a government which simply has no involvement with religion? That in no way impedes anyone from practicing their own religion.
 
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Ken:
Why do people object to a government which simply has no involvement with religion? That in no way impedes anyone from practicing their own religion.
Tell that to the Catholic Charities of California. On March 1, 2004 the California State Supreme Court ruled that Catholic “charitable organization must provide its employees with medical insurance that also includes prescription contraceptives”. The court rejected arguments that the group was obliged to abide by the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church.

I to believe in the separation of Church and State, but in the words of first amendment of the Constitution:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…
The government is prohibited from obstructing or influencing religious beliefs.
 
Bud Stewart:
Tell that to the Catholic Charities of California. On March 1, 2004 the California State Supreme Court ruled that Catholic “charitable organization must provide its employees with medical insurance that also includes prescription contraceptives”. The court rejected arguments that the group was obliged to abide by the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church.

I to believe in the separation of Church and State, but in the words of first amendment of the Constitution:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…
The government is prohibited from obstructing or influencing religious beliefs.
I would tell Catholic Charities that the court examined their operation and found that it was organized as separate from the Catholic Church, had a majority of non-Catholic employees, served a client base that had a majority of non-Catholics, and teaching the doctrines of the Church was a minor aspect of its operations.

Therefore the laws applied to the organization because it was not a religious organization. The employees had the same rights as employees of any other organization in the state.
 
My husband gets a lot of mail from the ACLU, asking him to sign up. We send the envelopes inside back with a prayer card.
 
I would tell Catholic Charities that the court examined their operation and found that it was organized as separate from the Catholic Church, had a majority of non-Catholic employees, served a client base that had a majority of non-Catholics, and teaching the doctrines of the Church was a minor aspect of its operations.

Therefore the laws applied to the organization because it was not a religious organization. The employees had the same rights as employees of any other organization in the state.
So, if the ACLU is correct, the only solution is for the Church to get out of institutional charity work entirely–hospitals, orphanages, adoptions, foreign aid, the entire structure of Catholic Charities.

The Church has always considered that the corporal works of mercy are meant to be extended to everyone, not to Catholics only.

But paradoxically, if we do that, we now must reject all or parts of Church doctrine in order for the charities to continue to exist. This doesn’t sound like good public policy to me.
 
Even when something can be defended, such as the cross of the Seal of California, it is easier for the state to declare the issue as trial and cave in.
That bit about objecting to the seal seems a bit extremist to me. The logical next step would be to force every city in California and elsewhere that is named after a saint, to change its name. How much more entangled with religion can a state be than naming its cities after Catholic saints?

There goes Los Angeles, Sacramento, Santa Barbara, San Francisco, indeed a whole litany along the west coast.

But Wichita and Kansas City will be safe.
 
So, if the ACLU is correct, the only solution is for the Church to get out of institutional charity work entirely–hospitals, orphanages, adoptions, foreign aid, the entire structure of Catholic Charities.
I dare say that would fit perfectly with their secular atheistic agenda.

Peace,
+N
 
No no, the ACLU has no ‘secular atheist agenda,’ in the sense of promoting either secularism or atheism. It is, however, dedicated to the freedoms of American society and legal rights, which are indeed a secular concerns (and should be concerns for everyone!), as applied to all citizens regardless of religious affiliation or lack thereof.

The issue is not whether the Catholic church can dictate to its adherents whether or not they can use contraception – of course it can! But as civil employers, no they may not, especially since some of those employees may not be Catholics. Instituting a medical insurance policy that discriminates against nonCatholics is a violation of civil rights. Of course, most people who work for Catholic organizations are likely to be Catholic, and so, they will not avail themselves of contraceptive medical services, and nobody is telling them to do so. If some employees do, it is not up to their employers to say otherwise. I see no problem here.
 
The ACLU doesn’t qualify for sainthood in my conception of same, but the roster of unpopular causes in which they have fought the good fight, on the side of right and against injustice, outweighs the instances in which they have stepped over the line of reason. Just to name a few well-known examples, the ACLU took an active role in the Sacco-Vanzetti case, the trial of the Scottsboro Seven, the Scopes “Monkey” trial, the WWII internment of Japanese-Americans, and Brown v. Board of Education.

Neil
They are one of the major forces in this country for keeping the slaughter of our children legal. Anyone who gives money to this evil organization can not help but get the blood of the innocents on their hands.
 
A CNN story a few days ago told of a church group ordered to cease using a local public park, where they were using a creek to perform baptisms. The ACLU is defending the church group’s right to use of the creek for its baptismal ceremonies.

Many years,

Neil
But they work against the Church with thier support of abortion rights and and other Culture of Death activities and causes.

So if you want to support Religious Freedom and not pro-abortion and other culture of death issues and activities, then check out Thomas More Law Center.
 
It is, however, dedicated to the freedoms of American society and legal rights, which are indeed a secular concerns (and should be concerns for everyone!), as applied to all citizens regardless of religious affiliation or lack thereof.
:amen:
the roster of unpopular causes in which they have fought the good fight, on the side of right and against injustice, outweighs the instances in which they have stepped over the line of reason.
:amen:
 
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It is, however, dedicated to the freedoms of American society and legal rights, which are indeed a secular concerns (and should be concerns for everyone!), as applied to all citizens regardless of religious affiliation or lack thereof.
:amen:

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the roster of unpopular causes in which they have fought the good fight, on the side of right and against injustice, outweighs the instances in which they have stepped over the line of reason.
:amen:

So it is OK to donate money to Planned Parenthood because they do breast exams?
 
No no, the ACLU has no ‘secular atheist agenda,’ in the sense of promoting either secularism or atheism.
Their agenda is de facto secular and atheistic. Any attempt to portray otherwise is either purposely disingenuous or gross ignorance.

Peace,
+N
 
So it is OK to donate money to Planned Parenthood because they do breast exams?
er, can we say “false analogy”? millions of doctors and clinics do breast exams. very few organizations are willing to stick up for the people the ACLU sticks up for.
 
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