Christian school complains 8-year-old girl isn't girly enough

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I am glad I was a tomboy 50 years ago. There was never any talk of tomboys being gender confused - we just liked playing with the boy toys (Mighty Matilda the Battleship, yeah!). And also, my mom considered dolls with breasts to be unsuitable for play (no Barbies for me).

Being a tomboy was great preparation for parenting 8 sons.
 
I am glad I was a tomboy 50 years ago. There was never any talk of tomboys being gender confused - we just liked playing with the boy toys (Mighty Matilda the Battleship, yeah!). And also, my mom considered dolls with breasts to be unsuitable for play (no Barbies for me).

Being a tomboy was great preparation for parenting 8 sons.
Right there with you. My sister and I both loved playing with my brothers trucks and cars. We played “camping” and “exploring” more than we played house. Though my sister was rougher and tougher than I was she did like playing “house” more than I did. I went for reading and science experiments.

When you have to start sending little girls home from school because they are too “boyish” or the tomboy type then there is something wrong with the school not the girl.
 
Cultural modes in dress change over time. I have seen pictures of my late grampa in dresses and curls. Yet he did not turn out homosexual, he had 4 children.
Oh love it. Thank you so much. My paternal grandfather was pictured in ringlets and coveralls. He made the sweetest looking girl you ever saw. And believe me when I say he was all man. He had three sons and there was not an ounce of being feminine in the man.

People are really starting to overwork this thing.
 
Have you all looked at the photo?

She really does look like a boy.

I’m glad for you if you can feel comfortable with this. I don’t, and I’m not ashamed to admit it. I think she’s confusing, and I can’t even imagine how children feel around her.

I think that their feelings should be respected. If a child doesn’t feel comfortable around a person or a situation, we “enlightened” adults shouldn’t insist that “everything’s OK, honey.” It might not be OK. Children often have an amazing instinct for avoiding those things that are “not right.”

A private school has every right to set rules and expect the families to follow them. A private school has every right to attempt to develop a certain “feel” to the population of families.

Why doesn’t the family pull the little girl from this very conservative school and send her to a school that is more willing to welcome her with no expectations?
 
Have you all looked at the photo?

She really does look like a boy.
She’s a heavier set 8 year old girl with short hair, it’s a shame adults can’t leave her well enough alone simply because she doesn’t conform to their idealized version of what a little girl should look like.
 
She’s a heavier set 8 year old girl with short hair, it’s a shame adults can’t leave her well enough alone simply because she doesn’t conform to their idealized version of what a little girl should look like.
Articles have stated that the children were not sure if she was a boy or a girl.

Frankly, I think an 8-year old is too young to set her own course and make decisions about the “image” that she wants to project to others. I think that she could use some guidance from caring adults.

Most parents have no problem guiding their child in social norms in various settings (e.g., telling your child that they will dress up for a wedding and not wear jeans, etc.). I don’t understand why the little girls’ caregivers don’t help her find a hairstyle that is short and sassy, but obviously a girl’s haircut, and clothing that encourages an active lifestyle, but is obviously girls’ clothing.

Looking like a girl doesn’t mean having long hair down to her waist, and “frilly dresses.” There are plenty of haircuts and clothing choices that are easy-care and “athletic,” but still make it clear that she’s a girl. I personally think jeans can look very feminine depending on what top is paired with the jeans.

I suspect that it’s easier for the caregivers to just allow the little girl to have her own way. That’s sad for the little girl.
 
Frankly I think it reeks of some of that homophobia out there. It is all about her hair and boots and probably her general like of more robust games versus chatter and girly games.
This has nothing to do with “homophobia”. It has everything to do with private schooling. If you don’t want your child to obey standards of dress and comportment, don’t send them to a school where those are the expectations. It’s not like there aren’t lots of other places for her to attend school. She (and her parents/grandparents/guardians) weren’t a good fit for this school.
 
This has nothing to do with “homophobia”. It has everything to do with private schooling. If you don’t want your child to obey standards of dress and comportment, don’t send them to a school where those are the expectations. It’s not like there aren’t lots of other places for her to attend school. She (and her parents/grandparents/guardians) weren’t a good fit for this school.
Another reality of private schooling is that sometimes the parents’ behavior matters too. It’s very possible in this scenario that the school tried to deal with the adults first. If the adults were abrasive or uncooperative, the school may have decided to part ways with the family. It may have much more to do with how the guardians interacted with the administration than with the girl herself.
 
I was just reading a newspaper article this week that reports the U.S. toy companies are scrambling to keep up with the changing tastes of girls. Popular movies have got them wanting weapons rather than dolls. Pink, sparkly weapons are the preferred choice.

nytimes.com/2014/03/23/business/todays-girls-love-pink-bows-as-playthings-but-these-shoot.html?_r=0
Weapons manufacturers already make pink sparkly weapons for grown up girls. Women are applying for concealed weapons licenses in droves. Now the toy manufacturers are catching up for the daughters of these women. I see as many women at the shooting range as men.

My only complaint is that the girly guns are all pink. I hate pink. What about a shiny black gun with rhinestones? I would so have to buy one.
 
We don’t know that grandma “made” this a news story, do we?
That she called the press?
As a reporter, I can tell you that this information often gets to a newsroom other ways, and then reporters call up the families or show up at their door, asking for interviews.

And if they wrongly dismissed this child, it SHOULD be a news story!

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There is no “wrongly dismissed” concept for students in private schools. That’s a concept that applies to employment. A private school can choose to disenroll a student as it sees fit for the good of the school and/or for the good of the other students.
 
I posted this over in the World News thread about this story and I’ll repost it here too…

From the local news station, here is a copy of the school’s letter from February that the grandmother gave to journalists:

wdbj7.com/blob/view/-/25165848/data/3/-/i726yd/-/TCS-letter-to-Doris-Thompson.pdf

The school’s letter references ongoing conversations and concerns this school year, as well as notes their concern that the child was in counseling “to steer her a particular direction” with regard to identity issues. The school’s letter then goes on to state that they believe the school’s principles and practices are in contradiction “to the direction [the child] is heading at this point” and that they don’t want the child’s “future years to be filled with confusion and conflicting (name removed by moderator)ut from those guiding her.”

It is tough to tell the whole story because of the confidentiality restrictions the school is bound by, but even the school’s letter that the grandmother released to the news suggests to me that there might be a lot more going on besides just a child who is a tomboy.
 
Here’s another followup from the local news station:
Timberlake Christian School released a statement Wednesday afternoon through Liberty Counsel, a legal organization that champions issues of religious freedom.
The statement reads, in part: “When elementary children and their parents or guardians express concerns regarding use of the restroom and other matters arising from the sensitive issues here, the School has a duty to address those concerns and to ensure that all interests are heard and protected in accordance with the Christian mission of the School.”
Several parents at Timberlake Christian School, who claim to have knowledge of the situation, say Kahle was talking about having a sex change and wanted to use the boy’s restroom.
Kahle’s family told WDBJ7 that, to the best of their knowledge, those accusations are false.
wdbj7.com/news/local/gender-identity-story-captures-national-attention-school-issues-new-response/25184168
 
There is a difference between girls doing “boy” activities and collecting "boy"objects, and girls actually acting like boys.

Perhaps some of you have never met women who act like men. Again, I’m not talking a woman like Danica Patrick who drives race cars. I’m talking about women who talk in a deep voice and have mens’ postures and mannerisms, who wear actual men’s slacks, shirts and shoes, cut their hair like a man, and askew being with women in order to sit spraddle-legged with the guys.

It makes the guys uncomfortable, too.

I find it disturbing and sad.

I think we have to be careful about being so kind-hearted and “Christian” that we deliberately ignore a physical or psychological abnormality.

We have seen boys in skating rinks who are not certain which sex they are. One little boy at age six wore makeup, long hair, and insisted on wearing dresses during practices and competitions. He acted just like a girl! If you saw him, you would think he was a girl. His parents were fine with his behavior.

Do you think that’s OK? Do you think that’s just being a “tomgirl” and that he should be encouraged to be “true to his self?” Do you think that all the skating parents and coaches were just being “homophobic” and mean-spirited?

I don’t, and neither did the rink. They insisted that he wear boys’ clothing. I believe he quit the sport.

There are people who are born with “mixed-up hormones,” who have the hormonal makeup of the opposite sex, but who have enough traits of a certain sex that the parents decide to raise that child as that sex. These children go through a lot of struggles and require a lot of help.

I personally think that this is the situation with this little girl, and instead of dealing with it compassionately and forth-rightly, the grandparents are ignoring it, and making it seem as though everyone else has to accept her just the way she is, and those who don’t are being bigoted, homophobic, or old-fashioned.

This, IMO, is sad. It is akin to saying that a child with a cleft palate has to endure a lifetime with a cleft palate because the caregivers don’t believe in surgery and insist that everyone just accept the cleft palate. Sad.

This little girl will grow up conflicted and tormented if she doesn’t get her gender-identity issues straightened out.

Obviously I could be totally wrong on this whole thing, and I admit that. It’s difficult to glean the truth when secular media is involved. Look at the way the media is reporting the meeting between Pres. Obama and Pope Francis. To hear the media tell it, Pope Francis validated everything Pres. Obama is doing. :mad:

Some of you have a lot of prejudice against “baptist fundamentalists and Protestants” and you assume the worst of these people. I think you need to be careful about this. I grew up Baptist and knew a lot of fundamentalists (and still know a lot them). For the most part, they are kind, loving people who go to great lengths to protect and care for children. Many of the fundamentalist Protestants reject contraception and have large families because they actually believe the Bible and take it seriously. Many fundamentalists have children’s schools, clubs and camps that attract children of all faiths, including many Catholics, because they are fun and child-appropriate.

I prefer to believe the best of the school, and I especially believe that we need to listen to CHILDREN when they say that they weren’t sure if the little one was a boy or a girl. I’m sure a lot of the girls in the school do “boy” things (hockey is huge right now among the home-schooled and Pentecostal school children in our city). But as I said, there is a big difference between doing “boy” activities, and acting like a boy.
 
Articles have stated that the children were not sure if she was a boy or a girl.

Frankly, I think an 8-year old is too young to set her own course and make decisions about the “image” that she wants to project to others. I think that she could use some guidance from caring adults.

Most parents have no problem guiding their child in social norms in various settings (e.g., telling your child that they will dress up for a wedding and not wear jeans, etc.). I don’t understand why the little girls’ caregivers don’t help her find a hairstyle that is short and sassy, but obviously a girl’s haircut, and clothing that encourages an active lifestyle, but is obviously girls’ clothing.

Looking like a girl doesn’t mean having long hair down to her waist, and “frilly dresses.” There are plenty of haircuts and clothing choices that are easy-care and “athletic,” but still make it clear that she’s a girl. I personally think jeans can look very feminine depending on what top is paired with the jeans.

I suspect that it’s easier for the caregivers to just allow the little girl to have her own way. That’s sad for the little girl.
She’s 8, why is it such a problem that she has short hair and wears tee-shirts and jeans. Why is it so all fired important that a child conform to your or anyone elses’ standards of femininity? Personally I’d rather my daughters dressed like that little girl than some of the trash I see even on the Disney channel.

A young lady I know has a much more severe boy hair cut than this girl, dresses in straight tee-shirts, jeans and boots, no one has commented on her having to be more feminine but then she is thin.
 
Those women are called lesbians and they don’t have Christian morals for sure. But we are talking about an 8 year old girl who probably is not aware of sexuality at all.

I like seeing a movie about a little boy who is in spelling bees in Catholic schools. It has Shirley Maclaine and other stars in it. Anyway the little grade school boy who has seen angel statues in the cemeteries and likes to wear what he calls Holy Vestments, but others call “dresses”. He ends up being beat up by the other boys in his school until S M teaches him to fight. Once he beats up a few of his critics wearing his Holy Vestment (dress), they respect him.

He ends up winning the National Catholic spelling bee dressed in his “Holy Vestment” AND ends up in Rome meeting the Holy Father. He is dressed the same way as the Pope, white cassock and all.

I know, just a film but I like it. It is called Bruno but there is another picture with the same name, a comedy about a homosexual model so be careful.
 
Looked up the church and school as well as the pastor, Bryan Ferrell. He’s a Liberty grad and a Calvinist. The church and school are IFB (independent, fundamental Baptist).
So…I mean, let’s not be too surprised here.:cool:
 
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