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Hi everyone,

God bless all of you. I was just writing because I am confused and feeling hurt. I just ended a nearly four-year relationship for several reasons. Yes, this young man had proposed to me (no ring) in late 2004. I graduated from school last year. We were going to grad school together, but we decided that since he did not get a good financial aid package, he would stay at home while I went away to school several thousand miles away. We decided it was more financially feasible and smart for us to do so when we did get married, there would be less debt. So, I went away to school, and he got a job that fall.

Into my semester there at school, I decided that I did not want to wait until two years later to get married (say 2007). I was really unhappy with the atmosphere at the school, and I was just not happy with nearly four years of dating long-distance. Since I had the chance to go home to him, and I thought that marriage is more important of a vocation to me at that time, I thought I should go home and start working. However, my then-boyfriend, who is a really sweet and great guy who loves to study, does have tendencies sometimes as that of a workaholic, was becoming more and more tired, and I was honestly really frustrated with the way he was dealing with his work habits and our relationship. I honestly did not feel like he valued our relationship enough. Not just with the way he was talking to me during the first semester, and I understand that it is his first job, and men put a lot of their identity in their work. There were other instances where he was imbalanced in his life and work, but I was willing to overlook sometimes, and other times I was not. But I also still felt hurt inside that he didn’t do more than email a school for a job so as to be near me for graduate school and look for a job there after 3+ years of long-distance. I don’t feel it is unreasonable to think that talking on the phone would not suffice. I won’t go into details, but I decided to end the relationship, out of frustration. I did it because I seriously thought he was not interested in marrying me, based on the way he was behaving. I felt very upset at the time. I realized though, that by breaking up, he only understood it as my “lack of trust” in him. I truly did not want things to end between us. I thought that was the best thing to do at the time. He said that he feels like I always want to talk about our problems for too long and that I don’t trust him because I never felt like he loved me. I didn’t feel like he cherished me! He would be so tired, or would talk about work, and I just lost patience and wanted to send him the message to wake up, that I am not just going to be taken for granted! I thought that breaking off the relationship would get him to see that I am valuable, and that he would want to work on talking this out with me, to see how serious I feel, and then we could work out our vocation together. But, he did not see it this way.

So, I realized that what I intended to communicate did not work. I feel bad that he misunderstood my point, but there is no explaining I can do. Basically, since then, it has been a matter of talks that are extremely confusing He says, " I want us to be friends, and I don’t know where that may lead." I want to build up our trust. Yet, when I try to talk to him on the phone, just to call and say hello, he gets extremely upset and tells me, " I don’t want to talk, I give up"

I realize he may be extremely angry at me for having broken up for him, and for other things I may not fully realize. I believe he has bottled things up, and then just blew up when I decided to end the rleationship. I honestly did not know he was feeling so frustrated or afraid, and perhaps this is why he was not as itnerested as he was before, although I saw that even to the end he tried, but wasn’t always consistent, but who is? l I take full responsiblity for what wrong I did, but I am not nearly as angry at him as he is at me, even though this all started when I was upset with him. So, I just don’t think I have been able to see that since the breakup, he is confused, very angry, and has a lot to work through and mature in. I do too. But, I just couldn’t see this until now. It hurts to know he is not the guy I knew before. He is different now, very angry and unkind.
 
I realized after this that I have enough resepct for myself and for him to not allow him to treat me like this. I just don’t think he is behaving in a healthy way, and that after six months of this, it is not going to change anytime soon. I am just losing my confidence in him. He was never like this before, and I think he is just really hurt by me. We are not leading one another to holiness in our arguing. We did so well through most of out relaitonship, but not now. I pray to God that we are both pleasing to Him and I thank Him for the experiences I did share with this guy. I know no one person is to be entirely responsible for the fall of a relationship, but it hurts to know that i have to let go of the hope , and that I can’t always love unconditionally for a relationship that has no serious commitment. I can’t approach this the way I would a marraige since we do not have that commitment, although I thought this whole time we were serious. I pray that I continue to be indifferent to the outcome, and that God heal us. I really only want what is God’s will. I know that if He wills us back, it will happen. I trust in God that this is part of Providence. I just ask that you all pray for us, as it did not end on the most peaceful terms. Any reactions would be appreciated.
 
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DominicanSista:
Any reactions would be appreciated.
Long distance relationships are next to impossible to maintain. Combined with his neglect it sounds like you made the right decision.
The issues you describe will only get worse, not better had you gotten married.
 
My sympathies are with you. I had to do exactly what you did after dating my husband for 2+ years. It was the most painful thing I ever did in my life. Letting a realtionship go – especially one that I saw so much potential – is difficult. However, I believe you have done the smart thing. The only thing I would advise you on now is to cease all communication with this guy. Do not call him, do not talk to him, do not meet him in person. You haven’t yet made that “clean break”. If you want to walk away, then have the courage to shut the door behind you on your way out!! This was the hardest part of breaking up for me. I so much wanted to pick up the phone and talk all our problems out and rehash all the stuff that was keeping our relationship from moving forward. DON"T DO THIS! Move on with your life. You are not sending him the message you want to get across if you keep talking with him. Men understand action! Let your actions speak for themselves.

It took my husband four years to finally come around. Not that I was sitting alone at home pining for him. I dated many guys after him and thought that I had moved on. I never gave him much thought really. I had really gotten over him and the hurt. It was by a fluke that we ran into each other and discovered that there was still a spark there between us. Amazingly, we were both available at the time to date and we decided to give it another shot. Almost 12 years later and three kids, we are still very happy.

My DH needed the time away from me to come to the realization that I was the best catch of his life. He needed to date other women to find this out. I also needed to date other men and I needed time to appreciate all his wonderful traits that I took for granted.

Best thing you can do is give yourself and your ex-boyfriend some space and put distance between you. My husband and I feel that it was by the grace of God that we got back together again. We truely felt like we were meant to be together and that it was God’s will that we be married. As the saying goes…“If it is meant to be, it will be”. Trust yourself…but most importantly TRUST GOD!

Good luck…I’ll say a little prayer for you.
 
Wow,

I am very grateful for the reply. DVIN CKS, bless you for sharing with me your experience. I have to admit, when my then-boyfriend told me he was sorry and wanted to contact me, I replied with “let’s wait” because inside I didn’t feel like he had realized how I was feeling and how much he should value me. A month won’t do it for him. I guess it was a good thing that I called just to say hello, so as to come to realize that he is still not ready to cherish me!

I believe that the lack of actual space between us that is for a prolonged period is key to the situation here. Furthermore, there is just really no control over how upset he is right now, and for that matter, I don’t really feel it is best for me or him to work on it. I have to battle and win the confidence that God does not want me to work it out and that I have to make that clean break. Before I felt sometimes bad, like things were not “reconciled” between us, but I can’t be the only one to want to fix things, and he is just unable to be stable right now! There is wisdom in being apart for a long time, so as to see if it is true and to give it that freshness only time can give. I am learning very much the beauty of God’s plan, and I think I needed this last experience with him to cement for me he is just not at a place that is right. It is very painful to do, and sometimes, it isn’t always easy.

Out of curiosity, and I know that he and I may or may not be together in the future, do couples learn to resolve things that had been a part of the past problems, or do they sometimes just forget them? I ask because he is just not over this anger/emotional immaturity, and I guess six months is not enough for him to grow. That is the most confusing part for me–I can’t imagine, but we are just at differen’t levels right now.

Do you have any suggestions for readings or prayers that you found particularly helpful? Was it difficult for you at first to get over it? I care about him quite a bit, and so these feelings don’t go away immediately!

DVN CKS, honestly, you wrote so many things that comforted me and had wisdom to them! Thanks to all for their understanding and insight.
 
I guess I also took breaking up as a one-time deal or something with my boyfriend then, because that is how he saw things. I think I was influenced by that feeling for the years we dated.

What made you want to break up DVN CKS in the first place? If you don’t mind me asking yet another question?
 
DominicanSista,

I think that your course of action was the right one, so don’t backtrack now and try to “get back together” with this man. You are both young, and if you are meant to share a marriage vocation then things will in fact work themselves out. But, it really sounds like you have some basic personality differences that could be problematic in a marriage.

I suggest a couple of books:

Date or Soul Mate by Neil Clark Warren
For Better… Forever by Greg Popcak
The Five Love Languages by Gary Chapman

I think that these will help you in your understanding of your own needs, and then also give you a good perspective on your relationships with others.
 
Thanks for your reply. No doubt that I am not going to attempt to “try to get back with this man” I actually have read all of those books, except for the middle one. They are really helpful! I’d like to hear what you mean by “Basic personality differences.” (if you are willing, of course). I have definitely been discerning and considering whether our personality differences are that terribly incompatible. I honestly don’t believe they are. Not to say we are perfect, but that we were not so incompatible it was not wonderful. It was. And, I know we are NOW incompatible, because of his behavior especially, which is not characteristic of him. I believe fundamental to any relationship is the commitment to work things out, because no two people are exactly alike, and there are always difference between the genders in communication. We got to struggle for grace! I acknowledge that in part his drawing into his work more was not helped by the fact that I was not yet skilled at communicating well or in a way he would understand (translation, women don’t always communicate in the same way that men do, and men can be offended by the other gender’s approach, vice versa, I’m sure some married couples run into this)
I know it wasn’t, in hindsight, to be solved by breaking up, but I did it again, out of frustration and my inexperience. This does not mean I am tyring to say I want him back. I know right now he is not in that place that is suitable for such a pursuit. I just see him acting in a way that is not mature right now. Before this, we were really overall on great terms and saw a lot of great plans for the both of us and we both cared about each other a lot. We still do, but I know he is just not in the right place, and so I need to move on with my life. I know what my needs are, but perhaps he had a tough time wanting to meet them because he was angry! I am not someone who is black and white, and it is either meet it or beat it. I think there was not a clear communication and that right now is not hte time to fix things. I agree with DIVN CHK about this. I have to let go of wanting to fix it. It can’t right now. I am someone who takes commitment seriously, and this is preparing me for my marriage in the future, as to how to deal with things and to stick it out because it is a vow that cannot be broken, even though I know he has no commitment to me since we are not married. I definitely need your prayers to help me trust in God’s plan. If we are meant to be, it will be, but can’t be for now.
Oh, how not knowing is what can be such a source of confusion, but it is the opportunity to show we trust in the Lord!

PBJC for blessing me during all of this. He is unconditional and with me through all.

Thanks
 
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DominicanSista:
do couples learn to resolve things that had been a part of the past problems, or do they sometimes just forget them? I ask because he is just not over this anger/emotional immaturity, and I guess six months is not enough for him to grow. That is the most confusing part for me–I can’t imagine, but we are just at differen’t levels right now.

Do you have any suggestions for readings or prayers that you found particularly helpful? Was it difficult for you at first to get over it? I care about him quite a bit, and so these feelings don’t go away immediately!

DVN CKS, honestly, you wrote so many things that comforted me and had wisdom to them! Thanks to all for their understanding and insight.
I believe most couples who break up for various reasons probably never really get the emotional closure unless they seek it out. Most folks probably just move on and learn to put the past behind them along with all the residual feelings for their ex-loves. Meeting a new love certainly helps put the past behind you also. You must come to peace with the past. See it for the good times that it was, but that you now must move on.

Sounds like you are growing in different directions and that you need more than what your boyfriend can provide right now. If you don’t feel like you’re on the same level with your ex, it is best to keep moving forward. There is nothing wrong with hoping that he catches up with you someday, but don’t expect that to happen. When you walk out on a relationship you have to do it with the mind set that it is for good. You have to mean what you say and say what you mean. This lesson becomes crucial again when you become a parent and are trying to raise and discipline children. If you learn the benefit of it early in life, it will save you much heartache in the future.

I don’t have any books to recommend although I think another poster gave you a few suggestions. I would make the sacraments a bigger part of your life if they aren’t already. Go to mass and confession and ask the Lord for courage and clarity during this tough time. I do have a quote from Karl Keating that I like: “You can spend your time pining over what might have been or you can move ahead. You cannot do both.”
 
I’m looking at this situation from a different perspective.

You two are not ready to get married. He asked you before he was ready. In the process of accepting you’ve re-evaluated your life plans. He’s not prepared to support you as you are. You are not prepared to be married to the man that he is right now.

I’m not saying that everyone has to finish school before they get married. But if you get engaged when you are in school I think that it should be because you want to be married to a student, not a potential graduate. Any eventual graduation should be a bonus, not part of the contract of your expectations. I think both of you were wanting to be married to your future selves, not your current selves at the time you were engaged. Then you wanted to re-negotiate. He didn’t.

I don’t know what will happen in the future. And I don’t think either of you did anything wrong. You both have the right to marry the persons you want to marry. But today he is not yet the man you want to marry. And you are not yet the woman he wants to marry. Maybe someday that will change. Maybe it won’t. But I think it’s better not to be engaged until such time.
 
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SMHW:
I’m looking at this situation from a different perspective.

You two are not ready to get married. He asked you before he was ready. In the process of accepting you’ve re-evaluated your life plans. He’s not prepared to support you as you are. You are not prepared to be married to the man that he is right now.

I’m not saying that everyone has to finish school before they get married. But if you get engaged when you are in school I think that it should be because you want to be married to a student, not a potential graduate. Any eventual graduation should be a bonus, not part of the contract of your expectations. I think both of you were wanting to be married to your future selves, not your current selves at the time you were engaged. Then you wanted to re-negotiate. He didn’t.

I don’t know what will happen in the future. And I don’t think either of you did anything wrong. You both have the right to marry the persons you want to marry. But today he is not yet the man you want to marry. And you are not yet the woman he wants to marry. Maybe someday that will change. Maybe it won’t. But I think it’s better not to be engaged until such time.
Thanks for your reply. We were supposed to go to the same graduate school, as we are in the same field and plan on working in the same field. However, we did not want him to accrue a Ph’D’s worth of debt to go to a school near mine simply because it was close. It wasn;t as strong of a program nor finanically supportive as other shcools would be. That kind of commitment is huge, and preparing for marriage financially was a critical factor. We agreed that we would do what we coudl financially to prepare during our engagement to get marreid, and so he got the job.

However, things changed, and I wanted to get married sooner, but was not feeling sure about it since during the time of his new job, things got hectic and I was really wanting to make up for hte distance by much more frequent contact. he couldn’t always do it, and I couldn’t always budge and be flexible, and this led to a lot of misunderstanding and frustration. I don’t think either one of us always did what we could to sacrifice, and I was really upset with him because I really wanted, AT THAT TIME, for him to show me throug hsome great gesture he was serious about his commitment to me. I had my confusion because of how he was treating me, and in part, becuase I did not fully see how I was increasingly becoming deamnding with our contact. I knwo some may say I am just saying that because I want to blame myself, but I am just admitting what I did wrong on my part. I don’t have reason to blame him for all, nor does he.
 
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DominicanSista:
I’d like to hear what you mean by “Basic personality differences.” (if you are willing, of course). I have definitely been discerning and considering whether our personality differences are that terribly incompatible. I honestly don’t believe they are.
Thanks
Well, of course I am going on the limited info in the posts, so take it FWIW.

You seem to have different personality styles in how you deal with stress, disappointment, and work. You seem to have different levels of need for “working on” and “communicating” in the relationship. You seem to be a go-getter when it comes to setting goals, conquering problems, etc. He doesn’t seem to have these same traits and approach to life.

I think that personality traits are more important than you think right now-- because they are amplified when you are married. I am a newlywed, just married last August, and I can vouch that this is very true. And, it’s not so much the personality trait itself as the response to the conflict when it arises. I guess that’s where I see you two as very different, and the area that is problematic.
 
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DominicanSista:
What made you want to break up DVN CKS in the first place? If you don’t mind me asking yet another question?
I was a recent college grad living at home with my parents and my boyfriend had already been out of school for two years. He had a good job and had bought a townhouse and was beginning to put roots down. I had a good job and was anxious for our relationship to move to the next “level”. I was ready (and believed WE were ready) to become engaged and think about marriage. He was not where I was emotionally speaking. He loved me, but he wasn’t ready to get married. I felt after two plus years of dating each other that we were very compatible and I could see us spending the rest of our lives together. I sensed he felt the same way too, so it was really a shock when he didn’t want to move forward with the relationship. I spent many a night frustrated and lonely. He was working a lot and becoming consummed in his work and not me 😦 . I began feeling like a low priority in his life and that just didn’t sit well with me. I knew that I was deserving of the kind of love and affection (and attention) that my heart ached for. I knew that I was a “good catch” and that any guy would be lucky to have me (this inner voice was thanks to my parents telling me this over and over and over throughout my life). I didn’t want to settle for something less than what I knew deep down I deserved.

So, after much soul searching, I decided that I couldn’t change him but I could change myself. I decided to end the relationship and have us both go our separate ways. I still remember to this day the words he spoke as he stood in my doorway saying goodbye…“If this is what you want”. That was it. No pleading, no asking me to reconsider, no “i love you and can’t live without you” statements. He actually made it very easy. After that response, I shut the door and knew that I had made the right decision. I held out hope that he would call me in a few days pleading to take him back, but he never did this. He had pride and he wasn’t about to beg. In hind sight I respect him for that. I also respect the fact that he was strong enough not to let me push him into something he wasn’t ready for. He knew in his heart that he didn’t want to be married and he would not allow my actions to manipulate him. Very wise on his part.

After a week or two went by, I realized the phone wasn’t going to ring and that what I did was final. I cried a lot. I couldn’t eat. I got depressed. I was hurt that he didn’t think I (and our relationship) was worth fighting for. I was so sad because I had invested so much emotional energy into our two year relationship and I really believed he was “the one” for me. Now I began doubting everything!! The ache in my heart was indescribable. My heart physically ached…I hurt inside. It is not something that went away overnight. I just took one day at a time and slowly began to regain my confidence. I grew a lot from the experience and, over time, I became a stronger person. It was a gradual process but I soon came to the point in my life that I was ready to trust again and put myself out there and take a risk on another relationship.

I must say, I never dated anyone for longer than six months after that. I just wasn’t willing to settle for someone who didn’t want to take me and a relationship with me seriously. I set my bar very high and was determined not to compromise.

When I finally did run into my ex boyfriend four years later it was as though I had come home. The spark was still there and we had a long talk about what had gone wrong. He had done a lot of growing up and realized that I was his true love and was hoping that I would agree to go out with him again. We began dating and realize that this was it. Three months later he proposed and six months later we were married.

I don’t regret for one moment that I broke up with him. The break up was necessary for each of us to grow and to appreciate the things in each other that we took for granted. What made our reunion such a surprise was that it was totally unexpected. I had never imagined that we would have EVER gotten back together again. I had written him off completely in my book. It was truely by the grace of God that we got back together and are happily married today.
 
I cannot tell you how much your story coincided with mine. I felt like I was reading my own story in yours. It was just the same. No fighting on his part, and i felt SO hurt by that. I felt like he just didn’t care. I know that he does, but that his reaction is for reasons which I myself don’t have. I would have though he could have shown me he cared by wanting to work on it. But, I see now that I have to show respect for myself (have you read “Love must be tough” By James dobson?) and that I am strong. I realize this does the least amount of repelling to someone already turned off, and it conserves my own respect and helps me heal.

I do admit when he was confusing me, and saying no and yes and maybe I kept hoping and hence never made a completely clean break. But, we did do that over a month ago, and he just told me in the last few days the whole sorry thing, but with the phone incident just two days later, I realize for certain he is in a place that i cannot change.

The thing I learned most is that I also thought that WE were ready for the sacrament. But, that he WAS not and I WAS, and I kept thinking on the past, when he acted in such a way that did say " I am". I would remind him by saying I THOUGHT you were ready. But now I see he IS not ready. Big difference is seeing things for what they are now. It took some time and discussion, not always the sweetest, but now I have learned. I feel bad for having talked to him about it so much, now that i believe he was just feeling confused and pretty much, actually, not wanting to move forward. didn’t intend to come off as pushy or wanting to change him, but now I see I did inadvertently, because I could not bridge the gap between what was happening to what IS happening.

It is strange the feelings we have that are both positive and negative at the same time. Your story really has helped me feel that if you can make it, so can I, because of God’s love and promise to us. I really appreicate all you are saying. You msut have read my heart because your story is so much like mine!

I will continue to heal and give myself time. I do need to let go and pray for him. It is the healthiest thing to do, although painful. I know this incident has drawn me so much closer to God. I go to daily mass and am doing much more to enrich my faith in God. Thanks to His prompting!
 
Dominican…If he says not to call…DO NOT CALL. He is pretty much asking you to leave him alone, but you are not hearing this. You are continuing to try and make contact after he has said he doesn’t want to talk to you. DO NOT PHONE HIM, DO NOT EMAIL HIM, DO NOT WRITE HIM. Honor his request for space. Fade into the shadows and re-evaluate your life without him in it. Stop searching for answers and accept that you may never have your questions answered with this guy. Ask the Lord to give you strength to deal with “not knowing”.

Doesn’t sound like your ex is in the mood to keep re-hashing this with you right now. Respect his request and back off.
 
Uh, no. The last post is not right because it is based on false information. Out of respect for my own integrity, note, I did NOT call him after he said HE DID NOT WANT TO TALK anymore. I think you may have mistook him saying he prefers to write over the phone as meaning he did not want me to call at ALL. THat is not the case. But I understood he was overreacting on the phone, hence my concern. I think there is a misunderstanding here, and because of that I am under the impression some think I am being inappropriate. To be clear: I did not call him when he did not want me to. I am a bit surprised by the force of the last post, simply because it is conveying to me like I am a stalker. I respect someone’s space when they ask, and this is exactly what I did and am doing. Please be considerate when telling me what not to do when in fact I am not even doing it! It’s hard for people to sometimes read accurately with a post. But its no big problem! Anyhow, I do appreciate everyone’s understanding and ear. It was good for me to just talk about it since all of this just happened.

Thanks DVIN CK.
 
didn’t mean to sound harsh. thanks for the clarity. your situation just sounds very complex when it shouldn’t be.

God bless!
 
No problem!

I’m sure you were just doing the grab me by the shoulders and slap me silly deal if you thought I was going nuts with him! I feel much better and at peace. Human ears are a wonderful help. Thanks for the prayers and insight. It really has been helpful. I am done analyzing and am accepting things now! Peace be with me!

To all, don’t feel a need to post anymore. Unless you all want to talk to each other!! 🙂 Signing off!

Best prayers to all!
 
HMMMM:

One thing i Must question here, you stated that you were both going to attend the same school, But due to lack of financing you BOTH decided he should NOT attend ad get a Job so the two of you could be married, Hmm sounds to me like he feels totally betrayed, he gave up what he was going to do to marry you, let you go to school while he stayed home and worked,then you come home and expect his every moment, and he has no right to be tired,

He gave up a dream to prepare to marry you,I am sure that alone makes him angry inside, let me ask you this when you were with him or on the phone did you talk about how great or fun school was? if you did he probably felt very very left out. I am also sure he felt very alone working to get money to be married while you were in school.
sometimes its easy to look at the little picture, or take the “what I want” attitude, something you should have considered is How he felt, what kind of sacrifice he was making.then in the end to be dumped by the person he changed all his goals for.
thats the BIG picture.
Now relize I am not judging, i am just reading the posts.then assuming a possible thing on his mind.

I do agree with some of the other posters that you definatly are not ready for marriage YET…
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                   John
 
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