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Last night at mass during distribution of the eucharist the priest stood off to the side of the altar and sang along with the choir while a multitude of extraordinary ministers distributed. I thought that the priest was supposed to be the distributor to the congregants and the lay ministers used only in extraordinary circumstances, is that correct?
 
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Yes, you are correct. The priest is supposed to serve not sing during Communion. That is considered a serious liturgical abuse.
 
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Eeeeek! While I’m not sure that that offense invalidates a Mass since the consecration has already happened, it sure makes it pretty darned illicit. If this happens again, write your bishop without fail. In the meantime, slip a copy of “Redemptionis Sacramentum” onto your priest’s desk or in his mailbox at the parish office.
 
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We were going to have Mass yesterday, however, the priest became ill and could not find another to take his place. He called our business manager, who happenes to be a Eucharistic minister, and Lector, told her to have a Communion service. WE sang an enturance song and read the readings and pslam of the day: recited the OUR FATHER sang the Lamb of God and received Communion and sang an exist song… One of our Echaristic Ministers did not want to participate in distributing the Host without the priest there. He did particapte as our manager assured him our priest told her what to do. This is acceptable under the circumstances is’nt it?
Thank you for your time and answer.

Your friend in Christ,
Grace Romanowski
 
sounds like an ordinary communion service.thats pretty much what you do in the absence of a priest
 
I am not used to Communion services either. I was at one where the Eucharistic minister did everything including reading the Gospel) that the priest does except pray the Eucharistic Prayer and give a homily.Obviously, the priest had consecrated the host before hand I felt uncomfortable with it. Is it just that I’m not familiar with it and all is well? Just curious as I said, I am not familiar with them.
 
there is a specific rite for Liturgy of the Word and Communion Service on Sunday in the absence of a priest, and it sounds like this was followed. Ideally a deacon should read the gospel, but if there is no deacon, whoever the priest delegates can do it. Obviously that person can offer a reflection, or even read the priest’s prepared sermon, but in that case it is not a homily.
 
Grace E R:
We were going to have Mass yesterday, however, the priest became ill and could not find another to take his place. He called our business manager, who happenes to be a Eucharistic minister, and Lector, told her to have a Communion service. WE sang an enturance song and read the readings and pslam of the day: recited the OUR FATHER sang the Lamb of God and received Communion and sang an exist song… One of our Echaristic Ministers did not want to participate in distributing the Host without the priest there. He did particapte as our manager assured him our priest told her what to do. This is acceptable under the circumstances is’nt it?
Thank you for your time and answer.

Your friend in Christ,
Grace Romanowski
Yes an Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion can conduct a Communion service if a priest is not available for a scheduled Sunday or Holy Day Mass. I personally feel that Communion services should not be conducted in place of daily Mass when a priest is not available.
 
The one I referrred to was a daily Mass or rather Communion service.
 
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Monica37:
The one I referrred to was a daily Mass or rather Communion service.
My assumption was you were talking about Saturday evening/ Sunday “vigil” Mass.
 
Grace E R:
We were going to have Mass yesterday, however, the priest became ill and could not find another to take his place. He called our business manager, who happenes to be a Eucharistic minister, and Lector, told her to have a Communion service. WE sang an enturance song and read the readings and pslam of the day: recited the OUR FATHER sang the Lamb of God and received Communion and sang an exist song… One of our Echaristic Ministers did not want to participate in distributing the Host without the priest there. He did particapte as our manager assured him our priest told her what to do. This is acceptable under the circumstances is’nt it?
Thank you for your time and answer.

Your friend in Christ,
Grace Romanowski
This is a complicated question. My short answer is it is OK, only if it was done once on the Sunday and was in accord with the provisions laid down by the bishop.

Whether it is permissible to have a Communion service at the time scheduled for Sunday Mass is a decision for the diocesan bishop, guided by his conference of bishops and the Directory for Sunday Celebrations in the Absence of a Priest (from the Congregation for Divine Worship on 2 June 1988).

According to the liturgical book of 1973: “Holy Communion and the Worship of the Eucharist Outside of Mass” (HCWE), n. 16: “Communion may be given outside Mass on any day and at any hour.” It then makes exceptions, but only for Holy Thursday, Good Friday and Holy Saturday. But since then things have become more complicated.

In the 1983 Code of Canon Law, canon 1247 it has that the faithful are obliged to participate in the Mass on Sundays. But in canon 1248.2 it has: “If it is impossible to participate in a eucharistic celebration, either because no sacred minister is available or for some other grave reason, the faithful are strongly recommended to take part in a liturgy of the Word, if there be such in the parish church or some other sacred place, which is celebrated in accordance with the provisions laid down by the diocesan bishop; or to spend an approapriate time in prayer, whether personally or as a family or, as occasion presents, in a group of families.” No mention is made of a Word/Communion service.

The 1988 Directory for Sunday Celebrations in the Absence of a Priest has “20. Among the forms of celebration found in liturgical tradition when Mass is not possible, a celebration of the word of God is particularly recommended, and also its completion, when possible, by eucharistic communion.” But then in n. 21 it makes this fairly difficult: “… Therefore a gathering or assembly of this kind can never be held on a Sunday in places where Mass has already been celebrated or is to be celebrated or was celebrated on the preceding Saturday evening, even if the Mass is celebrated in a different language. Nor is it right to have more than one assembly of this kind on any given Sunday.”

In Australia, where I am, many churches have three scheduled Masses on Sunday. The 1988 Directory, n. 21 disallows replacing all of them with Word/Communion services. The Australian Catholic Bishops Conference published in 2004: “Sunday Celebrations in the Absence of a Priest: Directives for the dioceses of Australia”. It includes:

"Unexpected Absences of the Priest-Celebrant
“19. Where a particular unforeseen occasion prevents a priest from being present (due to illness, travel circumstances, or other emergency), a Sunday Celebration of the Word or a Sunday Celebration of the Hours is celebrated and led by those delegated to do so. [Footnote 17: Directory 29-30] This response respects the normal parish worship schedule that people expect to follow.”

It has clear definitions, making it clear that this does not include a “Sunday Celebration of the Word and Communion”. So in Australia it would not be permitted.

References:
Pastoral Handbook for the Dicoeses of Australia, The Liturgical Commission, 2004, ISBN 1-875522-14-X.

Holy Communion and the Worship of the Eucharist Outside of Mass, E.J. Dwyer, Sydney, 1975, ISBN 0-85574-401-4.

The Code of Canon Law: New Revised English Translation, HarperCollins Liturgical, 1997, ISBN 0-00-599375-X.
 
Communion services are conducted in this manner all the time in the military. I can speak personally to my experiences in the Navy attached to a cruiser where we were lucky to have any type of chaplain. Only the large ships have Catholic chaplains and they are then ferried around by helicopter on Sundays to celebrate the Mass. We called it the Holy Helo 😃 .

In any event there were any number of Sundays or other Holy Days of Obligation when the Catholic chaplain didn’t make it around and I would conduct a Communion service for the Catholic members of our crew.
 
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asquared:
there is a specific rite for Liturgy of the Word and Communion Service on Sunday in the absence of a priest, and it sounds like this was followed. Ideally a deacon should read the gospel, but if there is no deacon, whoever the priest delegates can do it. Obviously that person can offer a reflection, or even read the priest’s prepared sermon, but in that case it is not a homily.
OK I give. . . So what is the difference between a Homily and a “Reflection”. . .or more importantly, how can the average guy sitting in the nave going to tell?
 
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Iceman1212:
OK I give. . . So what is the difference between a Homily and a “Reflection”. . .or more importantly, how can the average guy sitting in the nave going to tell?
If there’s no consecration (“This is My Body, … This is the cup of My Blood…”)- it’s not a mass. and NO ONE should be standing behind the altar doing/saying ANYTHING (except placing hosts in a distribution vessel)

God bless,
Angel
 
Angels Watchin:
If there’s no consecration (“This is My Body, … This is the cup of My Blood…”)- it’s not a mass. and NO ONE should be standing behind the altar doing/saying ANYTHING (except placing hosts in a distribution vessel)

God bless,
Angel
I disagree. According to the liturgical book “Holy Communion and the Worship of the Eucharist Outside of Mass”:

“30. After the prayer the minister goes to the place where the sacrament is reserved, takes the ciborium or pyx containing the body of the Lord, places it on the altar and genuflects. He then introduces the Lord’s Prayer in these or similar words: …”.

Then there is the sign of peace. Then “32. The minister genuflects. Taking the host, he raises it slightly over the vessel or pyx and, facing the people, says:
This is the Lamb of God …”.

Why would this not take place with the minister standing behind the altar?

Reference: Holy Communion and the Worship of the Eucharist Outside of Mass, E.J. Dwyer, Sydney, 1975, ISBN 0-85574-401-4, page 18-19.
 
John Lilburne:
I disagree. According to the liturgical book “Holy Communion and the Worship of the Eucharist Outside of Mass”:

“30. After the prayer the minister goes to the place where the sacrament is reserved, takes the ciborium or pyx containing the body of the Lord, places it on the altar and genuflects. He then introduces the Lord’s Prayer in these or similar words: …”.

Then there is the sign of peace. Then “32. The minister genuflects. Taking the host, he raises it slightly over the vessel or pyx and, facing the people, says:
This is the Lamb of God …”.

Why would this not take place with the minister standing behind the altar?

Reference: Holy Communion and the Worship of the Eucharist Outside of Mass, E.J. Dwyer, Sydney, 1975, ISBN 0-85574-401-4, page 18-19.
I’d really like to see a quote from a church document on this. (which is where we ALL should be getting our info re the mass and the teachings of the church)

I may be wrong about the “standing behind the altar” , but this book doesn’t prove anything. (heck, I could quoting from ISBN #5550155184 (for those unaware - this is the Da Vinci Code)

Just gi’me the facts.

Thanks,
Angel
 
Angels Watchin:
I’d really like to see a quote from a church document on this. (which is where we ALL should be getting our info re the mass and the teachings of the church)

I may be wrong about the “standing behind the altar” , but this book doesn’t prove anything. (heck, I could quoting from ISBN #5550155184 (for those unaware - this is the Da Vinci Code)

Just gi’me the facts.

Thanks,
Angel
The quotes above are from a church document, an official liturgical book, like the Roman Missal. “Holy Communion and the Worship of the Eucharist Outside of Mass” was approved on 21 June 1973 by the Congregation for Divine Worship. In Australia it was published by E.J. Dwyer. In the USA a copy can be found in a book published by Liturgical Press: “The Rites Volume One” published in 1990, ISBN: 0-8146-6015-0, pages 631-698.
 
Br. Rich SFO:
Yes an Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion can conduct a Communion service if a priest is not available for a scheduled Sunday or Holy Day Mass. I personally feel that Communion services should not be conducted in place of daily Mass when a priest is not available.
Brother Rich,

Is this your feeling, or is there official word on this?

I know weekday Communion Services are allowed in hospitals, Nursing Homes, etc., but what is the official word for a Parish which cannot get a Priest every day?

Star
 
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Starfire:
Brother Rich,

Is this your feeling, or is there official word on this?

I know weekday Communion Services are allowed in hospitals, Nursing Homes, etc., but what is the official word for a Parish which cannot get a Priest every day?

Star
That is my personal opinion on daily Communion services. Hospitals? Individual Communion in my opinion because most patients could not come to a Communion service anyway. Nursing homes maybe because of the spiritual needamong the elderly and ill but no hospitalized. Instead of visiting 100 rooms 75 could come to the Communion service in this situation.

Sunday and Holy Day Communion services as a must when a priest is not available to celebrate Mass at all that day.

It is important to not confuse the distinction between Mass and Communion service one is not a substitute for the other as well as keeping the distinction between the laity and priest intact.
 
how long to I have to distribute communion.
 
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