The act of eating only represents an inner state of being not fully embracing or oriented towards Eve’s ultimate good: God, alone. She was not yet perfected, and this allowed for an imperfect act -disobedience of God.How could Eve sin if Original sin had not yet be brought into the human nature by Adam. I mean the act of Eve freely and willingly ‘eating from the tree’ before she gives some to Adam who then eats, and only then does Original sin enter the human nature?
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Adam and Eve were individual persons; each possessed free will - responsible only for their personal actsHow could Eve sin if Original sin had not yet be brought into the human nature by Adam. I mean the act of Eve freely and willingly ‘eating from the tree’ before she gives some to Adam who then eats, and only then does Original sin enter the human nature?
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I’ve never heard of this before, can you elaborate?Eve could sin all by herself, it isn’t like original sin made it possible to sin. When Adam sinned, though, he passed it on to all of his descendants since original sin is passed down through fathers, not mothers. If only Eve sinned, then mankind would still be born in innocence.
There’s no reason to believe this.Eve could sin all by herself, it isn’t like original sin made it possible to sin. When Adam sinned, though, he passed it on to all of his descendants since original sin is passed down through fathers, not mothers. If only Eve sinned, then mankind would still be born in innocence.
Nuns taught me that if only Eve had sinned humans would not have fallen, but it was because Adam was created first, according to the nuns. They both sinned because they wanted to be like God. To know what he knows.Eve could sin all by herself, it isn’t like original sin made it possible to sin. When Adam sinned, though, he passed it on to all of his descendants since original sin is passed down through fathers, not mothers. If only Eve sinned, then mankind would still be born in innocence.
I’ve never heard of this before, can you elaborate?
St. Thomas Aquinas said in his Summa Theologica: “Accordingly the original sin of all men was in Adam indeed, as in its principal cause, according to the words of the Apostle (Romans 5:12): ‘In whom all have sinned’: whereas it is in the bodily semen, as in its instrumental cause, since it is by the active power of the semen that original sin together with human nature is transmitted to the child.”There’s no reason to believe this.
But this is not Church teaching.The Church only goes so far as to teach that OS is transmitted by propagation.St. Thomas Aquinas said in his Summa Theologica: “Accordingly the original sin of all men was in Adam indeed, as in its principal cause, according to the words of the Apostle (Romans 5:12): ‘In whom all have sinned’: whereas it is in the bodily semen, as in its instrumental cause, since it is by the active power of the semen that original sin together with human nature is transmitted to the child.”
We need to have OS wiped away, just as Eve needed it, because we cannot restore the grace lost. She & Adam lost it; we’re born without it; we both need it. But once restored it can always be forfeited again. OS just means this world is born lost, “born dead”, so to speak, in need of being born again or born from above. I think it should be obvious that this world does not possess the innocence that would’ve been part of God’s original design. And any apparent innocence is soon enough compromised, revealing that something’s missing in humankind now from the get-go.If Adam was the one created first and so Original sin comes from him and passed on through generation, what was Eve’s role in the first sin?
Why say there was any original sin committed when the first sin came from Eve, who was the second human. She did not need Adam in order to sin, she chose for herself, that is if she is thought of as a individual, with a soul and mind of her own.
We could say we don’t need baptism to wipe away the O.S, because we still can fall from Grace, just as Eve did when she was tempted.
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I’m afraid I am not asking the right question, or not explaining it well.We need to have OS wiped away, just as Eve needed it, because we cannot restore the grace lost. She & Adam lost it; we’re born without it; we both need it. But once restored it can always be forfeited again. OS just means this world is born lost, “born dead”, so to speak, in need of being born again or born from above. I think it should be obvious that this world does not possess the innocence that would’ve been part of God’s original design. And any apparent innocence is soon enough compromised, revealing that something’s missing in humankind now from the get-go.
I don’t know. But, why should she? She already had the guilt of the personal sin of disobeying God.I’m afraid I am not asking the right question, or not explaining it well.
Original sin comes from Adam, not Eve, because he was created first, Eve somehow contracted this O.S from Adam or she did not.
Eve being created in holiness, not yet perfected so could sin or not, did choose sin, yet was not subject to the O.S nature we are when she first sinned.
As did Adam.She sinned without being subject to O.S.
Yes.I don’t know. But, why should she? She already had the guilt of the person sin of disobeying God.
As did Adam.
I don’t think it is related to the chronology of Genesis. I believe it is due Adam’s role as the representative of humanity, who alone, if you believe the Genesis account, was given the command not to eat of the tree.Yes.
So why do we say O.S comes from Adam then? Just because he is the first created?
Ok thanks. It’s the same answer I have heard before.I don’t think it is related to the chronology of Genesis. I believe it is due Adam’s role as the representative of humanity, who alone, if you believe the Genesis account, was given the command not to eat of the tree.
In general Adam & Eve were given justice. But they were asked, like ourselves, to *own *it, by willing it. This is where man’s perfection lies.I’m afraid I am not asking the right question, or not explaining it well.
Original sin comes from Adam, not Eve, because he was created first, Eve somehow contracted this O.S from Adam or she did not. Eve being created in holiness, not yet perfected so could sin or not, did choose sin, yet was not subject to the O.S nature we are when she first sinned.
She sinned without being subject to O.S.
But we aren’t given justice like they were given because we are born in a state of original sin until baptism.In general Adam & Eve were given justice. But they were asked, like ourselves, to *own *it, by willing it. This is where man’s perfection lies.