Evolution?

[BryPGuy89]

I was reading another thread and they asked a question and it included a personal beleif in evolution. I was wondering if the Church has a specific teaching on the issue or not? Like abortion is always wrong no matter your personal beleif. I personally know that I absolutely refuse to except the idea of being related to the monkeys or apes in the zoos in my county.

 

[Orogeny]

BryPGuy89:

I was reading another thread and they asked a question and it included a personal beleif in evolution. I was wondering if the Church has a specific teaching on the issue or not? Like abortion is always wrong no matter your personal beleif. I personally know that I absolutely refuse to except the idea of being related to the monkeys or apes in the zoos in my county.

The Church teaches that one may accept evolution as a valid scientific theory as long as you remember that God is the Creator of all. You are not required to believe in a literal reading of Genesis, but you are allowed to.

Peace

Tim

 

[JesusHasMyHeart]

If we are not to believe Genesis as literal, then why does Jesus and the Apostles quote from it, as though it were ?

 

[Orogeny]

JesusHasMyHeart:

If we are not to believe Genesis as literal, then why does Jesus and the Apostles quote from it, as though it were ?

I didn’t say that you are not to believe Genesis as literal, I said that the Church does not require us to.

Peace

Tim

 

[mozart-250]

See this excellent article written by Cardinal Ratzinger concerning issues on the same topic.

 

[JesusHasMyHeart]

I guess what I am getting at is, if Jesus and the Apostles and King David in Psalms declare the reality of the record of Genesis and deemed it necessary to emphasize quite emphatically, shouldn’t we also ?

 

[Maranatha]

JesusHasMyHeart:

I guess what I am getting at is, if Jesus and the Apostles and King David in Psalms declare the reality of the record of Genesis and deemed it necessary to emphasize quite emphatically, shouldn’t we also ?

Can you post some scriptural references so we can comment?

Thanks.

 

[Maranatha]

BryPGuy89:

I was reading another thread and they asked a question and it included a personal beleif in evolution. I was wondering if the Church has a specific teaching on the issue or not? Like abortion is always wrong no matter your personal beleif. I personally know that I absolutely refuse to except the idea of being related to the monkeys or apes in the zoos in my county.

As for your soul, it is completely different and not related to the monkeys soul in any way. You are a rational intelligent being unlike a monkey.

As for you genes, that matter of science and not for the Church to determine except that we are to believe that we all descend from one man and one woman. This BTW has been genetically confirmed.

 

[BryPGuy89]

Maranatha:

As for your soul, it is completely different and not related to the monkeys soul in any way. You are a rational intelligent being unlike a monkey.

As for you genes, that matter of science and not for the Church to determine except that we are to believe that we all descend from one man and one woman. This BTW has been genetically confirmed.

See thats the thing monkeys don’t have souls, that’s why I don’t think we came from them. Science can’t find the missing spots to link humans and monkeys.

 

[rossum]

BryPGuy89:

Science can’t find the missing spots to link humans and monkeys.

Strictly, the link is between humans and apes, rather than monkeys. Monkey’s have tails, apes don’t, just like us.

Plenty of links have been found, see here.

You can believe what you wish, but you are incorrect when you say “science cannot find…” Science can and has found the evidence to link humans with apes.

rossum

 

[JesusHasMyHeart]

Maranatha:

Can you post some scriptural references so we can comment?

Jesus makes reference to the institution of the first marriage in Gen. 2:24.
He says, in Mark 10:6-9
But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female…

Mark 13:19 Jesus speaking of the Great tribulation,
"For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the
beginning of creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.

John quotes speaking of Jesus in John1:1-3
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The same was in the beginning with God.
ALL things were made by Him; and without Him was not anything made that was made.

In Luke 3:38 in the geneology of Jesus we see that it goes clear back to Adam (a real man) and the only one before Adam is God.

Psalm 90:2
Psalm 102:25
Psalm 104:5
Psalm 146:5-6
Psalm 148:5
Acts 4:24
Just a few references of Gods Creation work.
I think what we need to see is, that when you remove the foundation of anything, the rest of the building will collaps. And this is what the Atheistic evolution secular humanist is trying so hard to do. So if you remove Creation as the Word of God declares it to be, then you would be declaring Gods word to be untrue and leave much room for unbelief in the whole counsel and truth of God.
We should not compromise because the world or science has put us to the challenge or backed us into a corner. We need to stand firm on the Word of God, and trust the Lord to do the rest.

 

[Orogeny]

JesusHasMyHeart:

We should not compromise because the world or science has put us to the challenge or backed us into a corner. We need to stand firm on the Word of God, and trust the Lord to do the rest.

Yet we have all this evidence supporting evolution. Keep in mind that it would have been strange indeed for Jesus to have made any comments regarding evolution since the scientific concept wasn’t around at the time. The story of creation as spelled out in Genesis was all the people had.

You claim that we must stand firm on the Word and trust the Lord to do the rest, yet you seem to dismiss the possibility that the Lord is doing the rest by revealing His creation to us though our intellect.

Peace

Tim

 

[carol_marie]

I don’t understand how anyone could believe in evolution (we came from apes) because without Adam’s sin - we wouldn’t need a Savior. Also, Mary is often called the “second Eve.” Why would we need a second Eve if there wasn’t a first one?

 

[Orogeny]

carol marie:

I don’t understand how anyone could believe in evolution (we came from apes) because without Adam’s sin - we wouldn’t need a Savior. Also, Mary is often called the “second Eve.” Why would we need a second Eve if there wasn’t a first one?

I don’t “believe” in evolution. I accept evolution because of the evidence for it.

The concept of sin has no meaning in science. Science is the study of nature. Good and evil are within the domain of faith.

Peace

Tim

 

[carol_marie]

Orogeny:

I don’t “believe” in evolution. I accept evolution because of the evidence for it.

The concept of sin has no meaning in science. Science is the study of nature. Good and evil are within the domain of faith.

Peace

Tim

When you say you “accept” it - does that mean that you believe it is true? How is that different from “believing” in it?

 

[Maranatha]

carol marie:

I don’t understand how anyone could believe in evolution (we came from apes) because without Adam’s sin - we wouldn’t need a Savior. Also, Mary is often called the “second Eve.” Why would we need a second Eve if there wasn’t a first one?

I did say that we Catholics are expected to believe that we all descended from one male and one female. This fact has been genetically confirmed. There was a first Adam and a first Eve. I’m not sure how believing in evolution excludes the concept that Adam sinned.

Is it possible that God infused a soul in to the first man at one point along the evolutionary chain? In fact Gen. 1:11-12 says:

Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth vegetation: every kind of plant that bears seed and every kind of fruit tree on earth that bears fruit with its seed in it.” And so it happened:

the earth brought forth every kind of plant that bears seed and every kind of fruit tree on earth that bears fruit with its seed in it. God saw how good it was.

This sounds like evolution to me.

 

[Orogeny]

carol marie:

When you say you “accept” it - does that mean that you believe it is true? How is that different from “believing” in it?

I don’t believe in evolution. Belief implies faith. I don’t have faith in evolution, I have faith in God. I believe that the evidence overwhelingly points to evolution being factual.

Peace

Tim

 

[Tallyhoe]

Evolution? You don’t want to be related to monkeys? Face the facts. You are. If we are not, then where did we come from? The sky? LIKE EVERY THING AND EVERY ONE ELSE ON THIS PLANET, WE ALL EVOLVED FROM SOME THING OR ANOTHER. People did not just appear. It is not magic. We evolved. No other explanation. God does not just make people appear. Be nice to apes. They are our first ancestors like it or not

 

[Tallyhoe]

Maranatha:

As for your soul, it is completely different and not related to the monkeys soul in any way. You are a rational intelligent being unlike a monkey.

As for you genes, that matter of science and not for the Church to determine except that we are to believe that we all descend from one man and one woman. This BTW has been genetically confirmed.

How can we descend from one man and woman? If that were the case then that one man and woman’s offspring would have to marry their siblings. That is wrong. So, how can you say that?

 

[Tallyhoe]

Orogeny:

I don’t “believe” in evolution. I accept evolution because of the evidence for it.

The concept of sin has no meaning in science. Science is the study of nature. Good and evil are within the domain of faith.

Peace

Tim

I am a firm believer… in EVOLUTION. Good and evil has nothing to do with faith, at least not really, people are bad more or less because THEY CHOOSE TO BE. As for accepting evolution because of the evidence, all the more reason to believe in it BECAUSE THERE IS EVIDENCE. Show me hard solid evidence from the bible that it says really happened the way it did. And just because god did it. Things just don’t happen just because. There has to be a reason to it.