Food runs low in Gaza after Israel closes key crossing

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A “PUNITIVE” shortage of basic foodstuffs in Gaza overshadowed a meeting last night in which the Hamas movement was due to present its cabinet list to Mahmoud Abbas, the Palestinian Authority president.

Bread supplies in Gaza were running out yesterday because of Israel’s closure of the Karni crossing, through which imports and exports flow to and from the crowded coastal enclave, according to UN officials and Gaza residents. Israel said the closure was due to security reasons.

Sugar and oil were also reported to be in short supply.
Palestinians claim the closure for a total of 46 days this year - more than three times as many as last year - is a “collective punishment” following Hamas’s victory in the January legislative elections.

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I wonder if the PLA had focused on creating industries like, I don’t know, growing food instead of belt-bomb factories all these years, if they’d be in such dire straits.
 
The bigger issue would be getting them (PLA) to UNDERSTAND that.
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Geldain:
I wonder if the PLA had focused on creating industries like, I don’t know, growing food instead of belt-bomb factories all these years, if they’d be in such dire straits.
 
The question is not about the PLA, Hamas… etc It is about the collective punishment of a whole people just because the Israeli government feels like it…

How does the Israeli government wish for the ppl in Gaza to feed themselves when they are not even allowed to travel to other cities for work to make the money to be able to provide for their families the bare necessities…??? And to block the entry of food… ??? How is this fighting terrorism to starve ppl?

And I don’t want to hear the spin doctoring of " well, if they would stop doing this or that they wouldn’t be in this position argument…" So, automatically Hamas= all Palestinians? sigh

This is exactly the kind of thinking that makes the world look more and more dark to me…

God bless
 
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Maryam:
The question is not about the PLA, Hamas… etc It is about the collective punishment of a whole people just because the Israeli government feels like it…
Evidence this is so, please.
How does the Israeli government wish for the ppl in Gaza to feed themselves when they are not even allowed to travel to other cities for work to make the money to be able to provide for their families the bare necessities…???
One has nothing to do with the other. The PLA has been in existence long enough now to where if peace and prosperity for it’s people they could have and chose not to create their own food source or a viable economy.
And to block the entry of food… ??? How is this fighting terrorism to starve ppl?
When any people actively support a terrorist organization, it makes sense they are going to suffer the consequences for that support.
And I don’t want to hear the spin doctoring of " well, if they would stop doing this or that they wouldn’t be in this position argument…" So, automatically Hamas= all Palestinians? sigh
Then don’t read this next line:the so-called palestinian people elected Hamas to represent them. They are reaping their reward for their decision.
This is exactly the kind of thinking that makes the world look more and more dark to me…
Sometimes reality and truth are cold, dark and brutal.
God bless
May the Peace of Our Lord be with you.
 
The PA embessled monies meant for the Palestinian people. Where is the outrage?
 
Geldan I would think that the closing of Gaza as the article points at would be enough to show that through this it does not allow for any kind of trade or food to come into Gaza… is this not evidence enough?

And just so you know… there are Christians in Gaza too…both Catholic and Orthodox represented there…

If this is not collective punishment then what is?

Also, its the PLO… not PLA (I repeated the spelling erro)… and many Palestinians have complained about the corruption from them, but, you don’t see it on the 9 o’clock news.

How do you want a people to have a food source with corruption, constantly Israeli military invasions and no support from the world community?

And for the one millionth time… there are CHRISTIAN PALESTINIANS also having to suffer through the invasions, curfews where they aren’t allowed to leave their homes and so on…

This is what angers me… I have been to the West Bank and have seen the checkpoints, the humiliations and refugee camps… It is very easy to say all Palestinians are for terrorism when you don’t even have firsthand experience of life there.

Yes, I know the world is a cold and dark place… I have seen it… don’t need to be told so.

Unless you have seen what is going on over there with your own eyes… then you can judge.

gilliam As I have said before… Palestinians have spoken about the corruption, but, as I said above… it is not put on the local news as newsworthy…

God bless
 
Not real familiar with the Gaza issue, but why can’t they trade with Egypt? It’s not as if Gaza is this hugh land mass. I do assume the Egyptians support the Palistinian cause, right? And Gaza is on the ocean. They have ports so could potentionally trade with all kinds of people, right?
 
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gilliam:
Not real familiar with the Gaza issue, but why can’t they trade with Egypt? It’s not as if Gaza is this hugh land mass. I do assume the Egyptians support the Palistinian cause, right?
THis is what many Americans don’t understand… Israel won’t allow any movement from Gaza outwards… so you have all these people trapped as if in one huge human prison… They cannot trade with anyone… don’t have citizenship in their own land… they have no rights… Israeli government keeps a chokehold on all Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank…

This is what the outside world doesn’t understand… or just don’t care to understand.

God bless
 
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Maryam:
THis is what many Americans don’t understand… Israel won’t allow any movement from Gaza outwards… so you have all these people trapped as if in one huge human prison… They cannot trade with anyone… don’t have citizenship in their own land… they have no rights… Israeli government keeps a chokehold on all Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank…

This is what the outside world doesn’t understand… or just don’t care to understand.

God bless
Who guards the Gaza / Egyptian boarder? You mean to tell me there is no trade there?

Where is all the money that people are NOW donating to the Palistinians going? Where?
 
Maryam said:
Geldan I would think that the closing of Gaza as the article points at would be enough to show that through this it does not allow for any kind of trade or food to come into Gaza… is this not evidence enough?

Evidence of being security conscious for Israel? Yes. Evidence the PLA is reaping what they sowed (or didn’t, since they never bothered to grow their own food or develop an economy, despite billions in aid)? Yes.
If this is not collective punishment then what is?
My answer is, so what? The so-called palestinians have chosen to make bombelts instead of growing corn. They chose to elect a government that doesn’t believe Israel has a right to exists. They chose to send their children onto loaded buses with bomb-belts to kill innocents.
Also, its the PLO… not PLA (I repeated the spelling erro)… and many Palestinians have complained about the corruption from them, but, you don’t see it on the 9 o’clock news.
Actually it is the PA. The Palestinian Authority. My error.
How do you want a people to have a food source with corruption,
Why did they allow the corruption to continue? Is it not their own responsibility to see they need to eat and growing food was a posititive, productive thing to do instead of exporting bomb-belts into Israel?
constantly Israeli military invasions and no support from the world community?
From where I sit, you seem to make these people sound like they are 100% incapable of A) being peaceful and ceasing their terrorism against Israel and B) unable to survive on their own. If they are too helpless to tend to their own food needs, how in the world can they be expected to manage their own state?
And for the one millionth time… there are CHRISTIAN PALESTINIANS also having to suffer through the invasions, curfews where they aren’t allowed to leave their homes and so on…
So? No one is making them stay. No one is making them support Hamas. No one made them support Arafat. No one is preventing them from inserting themselves into the political process–oh wait, Hamas might be.
This is what angers me… I have been to the West Bank and have seen the checkpoints, the humiliations and refugee camps…
From where I sit, if you were angry with the promoters of terrorism and for what they’ve subjected the people they claim to represent to–then you’d be angry at the appropriate individuals.
It is very easy to say all Palestinians are for terrorism when you don’t even have firsthand experience of life there.
It sure is easy to say. It’s also easy to say, “when you support terrorism, bad things are going to happen to you.”
Yes, I know the world is a cold and dark place… I have seen it… don’t need to be told so.
Good. Then you agree the so-called palestinians will be better off the minute they reject terrorism, correct?
Unless you have seen what is going on over there with your own eyes… then you can judge.
I think I can judge from afar. I can read and comprehend fairly well. Terrorist doesn’t like jews, wishes Israel was no longer in existence, sneaks onto bus with bomb-belt and detonates it, killing innocent people. I can understand why they are in the shape they are in.
 
Geldain I can see such cold-heartedness in you… How do you propose the Palestinian people have a food source when since the creation of the state of Israel they have had the foot of the military on their backs…? How do you propose that with corrupt leaders who have their hands in the pockets of outside governments that they help themselves…? How do you propose that a people who constantly have the Israeli army take away their sons, murder, massacre and butcher a people on a daily basis where to even look from a window can get you shot fight such a power?

You have no heart… and to think that you can know the truth just from reading shows that you have no room for truth… just from what you pick and choose to read as truth from a newspaper.

And to say that why would Christians stay is incomprehensible:eek:

They stay because it is their land and if they elected Hamas (whic both Christian and Muslims did) it is because of the corruption with the PA’s hands in the pockets of other governments… pocketing monies… Just as it happened in Ireland where people thought how can you deal with terrorist groups… There finally came peace… and it can happen here too…

If you totally write off Hamas… then they should have done the same in Ireland too and continue with the fighting and massacring… the Palestinian people regardless of religion or race are tired and want a government that will do something to help not hinder progress for them…

And to keep the thinking “oh… they are killers… don’t deal with them…” will help no one…There needs to be continued talks and work towards peace…

Edited to add: a link to a free .pdf book by Palestinian Christian… Alex Awad… who is a Pastor at a Baptist Church and works in Bethlehem Bible College… (yeah, they got Palestinian Baptists too 😉 )

It is called “Through the eyes of the victims” and tells of the creation the state of Israel from a Christian perspective with pictures of the refugees, explains the occupation of the military and so on… Helps to open the eyes to the Christian world on what is really happening…

alexawad.org/book.php

God bless
 
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gilliam:
Who guards the Gaza / Egyptian boarder? You mean to tell me there is no trade there?

Where is all the money that people are NOW donating to the Palistinians going? Where?
Gilliam… if you are talking about NGO’s where people donate like for example " Catholic Relief Services" which works in Gaza and the West Bank… The NGO’s will get the money, but, when it comes to getting supplies delivered to where the most need is… that is another story…

You have what are called checkpoints that at the discretion of the military will or won’t allow supplies to pass through… that is how it works… When the army imposes a curfew that means no one is allowed to leave their homes or risk being shot by the army and if no one can leave then what are the chances of NGO’s being able to bring in the needed supplies… ? very slim…

It is very frustrating to human rights groups or organizations to deal with this…

Edited to add: Since the Palestinians don’t have a country that is recognized as their own by the world community… they are in limbo… Israeli military operates from both the land and the sea… so they monitor who comes and goes from Gaza.

God bless
 
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gilliam:
And the money pouring into the PA?
Well… Hamas was elected by the people… so I don’t see how the PA is relevant anymore… the Palestinian people don’t believe in the PA.

God bless
 
Maryam said:
Geldain I can see such cold-heartedness in you…

But I’m an incredibly good-hearted guy.
How do you propose the Palestinian people have a food source when since the creation of the state of Israel they have had the foot of the military on their backs…?
This is A) a factual error in that since the forumation of the Palestinian Authority these people have had land and ample opportunity to produce their own food and B)I expect them to grow their own food like everyone else does.
How do you propose that with corrupt leaders who have their hands in the pockets of outside governments that they help themselves…?
By standing up to these corrupt people and demanding an end to their criminal activity.
How do you propose that a people who constantly have the Israeli army take away their sons, murder, massacre and butcher a people on a daily basis where to even look from a window can get you shot fight such a power?
By giving up all forms of terrorism and withdrawing all support of those who adocate and/or practice terrorism. There’s no doubt in my mind if these people would do this, their lives would et a WHOLE lot better quickly.
You have no heart… and to think that you can know the truth just from reading shows that you have no room for truth… just from what you pick and choose to read as truth from a newspaper.
You might want to read the forum guidelines.
And to say that why would Christians stay is incomprehensible:eek:
Not at all. If I see I cannot support my family in an area then it’s my responsibility to move to where I can.
They stay because it is their land and if they elected Hamas (whic both Christian and Muslims did) it is because of the corruption with the PA’s hands in the pockets of other governments… pocketing monies…
Which justifies nothing, from where I sit. Except prision or worse for those guilty of the corruption.
Just as it happened in Ireland where people thought how can you deal with terrorist groups… There finally came peace… and it can happen here too…
I agree. Giving up terrorism will make all sorts of good things happen.
If you totally write off Hamas… then they should have done the same in Ireland too and continue with the fighting and massacring… the Palestinian people regardless of religion or race are tired and want a government that will do something to help not hinder progress for them…
I think your argument took a dive into the depths of logical fallacy there. Hamas is not Ireland.
And to keep the thinking “oh… they are killers… don’t deal with them…” will help no one…There needs to be continued talks and work towards peace…
Pretty much impossible to hold talks with a government that doesn’t believe you (Israel) have a right to exist.
 
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Maryam:
Well… Hamas was elected by the people… so I don’t see how the PA is relevant anymore… the Palestinian people don’t believe in the PA.

God bless
Because Hamas was elected to govern the PA.
 
Geldain so what happened with the IRA in Ireland…where the IRA were considered to be terrorists by many is not the same as Hamas? hmmm… ok… I will take your word for it.

If it is so easy to have peace… then you are more than welcome to fix the situation in Gaza and the West Bank…

Things are not so cut and dry… black and white in a world full of red tape… corporate billionaires controlling large portions of the worlds wealth and so on… If things were so black and white we would all be living in imitation of Christ and in humble poverty…

God bless
 
Maryam said:
Geldain so what happened with the IRA in Ireland…where the IRA were considered to be terrorists by many is not the same as Hamas? hmmm… ok… I will take your word for it.

If it is so easy to have peace… then you are more than welcome to fix the situation in Gaza and the West Bank…

Things are not so cut and dry… black and white in a world full of red tape… corporate billionaires controlling large portions of the worlds wealth and so on… If things were so black and white we would all be living in imitation of Christ and in humble poverty…

God bless

Thank you for your informative posts. You are right about the plight of the Palestinians.

Of course, people can say anything from where they sit in the well-fed comfort of their own easy chairs.
 
If things were so black and white we would all be living in imitation of Christ and in humble poverty…

God bless
Really? I need to ask my priest about that. You have a CCC for this, I assume?
 
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