Heaven cannot be timeless

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This is simple: The state of Heaven is subjected to change because individuals are going there. The timeless Heaven cannot change. Hence Heaven cannot be timeless.
 
Bahman said:
This is simple: The state of Heaven is subjected to change because individuals are going there. The timeless Heaven cannot change. Hence Heaven cannot be timeless.
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It’s all occurring in the Eternal Now.

All at once, from the perspective of Heaven. Linear timeline from the perspective of Man.
 
Bahman said:
This is simple: The state of Heaven is subjected to change because individuals are going there. The timeless Heaven cannot change. Hence Heaven cannot be timeless.
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What drivel.

Do you believe your own nonsense?
 
There is such a thing as:
  • the less changed
  • the more changing
  • the less changing
  • the more changed
  • the less infinite
  • the more infinite
  • the more than infinite
(Those are “approximations” 😉 )
 
Bahman said:
This is simple: The state of Heaven is subjected to change because individuals are going there. The timeless Heaven cannot change. Hence Heaven cannot be timeless.
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Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think the Church teaches either way whether or not heaven is strictly timeless. There seems to be, however, a sequential process after death. We depart from our bodies, we go to heaven, we are eventually united to our bodies. One could argue, then, that there are befores and afters in reference to heaven.
 
Bahman said:
This is simple: The state of Heaven is subjected to change because individuals are going there. The timeless Heaven cannot change. Hence Heaven cannot be timeless.
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Christianity promises a restored Heaven *and *Earth, so even if Heaven IS timeless (which is debatable among Christians), it wouldn’t matter. Personally I don’t care whether heaven is timeless or not and I am not aware of any teaching requiring it to be one way or the other.

That being said, your logic here is still clumsy and wouldn’t convince me that heaven wasn’t timeless if I DID believe in a timeless heaven. There is no explicit reason why individuals can’t exist in a timeless state that I know of.
 
Time has a beginning and an end.
Young people become old.
People die.
Sickness. Disease.
A time for all things under the sun the Bible says, like sadness, loss, pain, regret, achievement, success, etc…

In Heaven there is no time, but eternity,

It will last billions of years to forever,
There is no more old age, people are eternally young.
No more death. People will live forever.
 
Heaven is eternal.

Events will happen/are happening in Heaven.

‘Timeless’ in that sense does not mean ‘no change’. It means ‘forever/eternally’.
 
The concept of linear time was a gift from God because man’s understanding is finite and limited. Another poster mentioned the Etnernal Now, which takes linearity out of the equation.

PEACE AND ALL GOOD!
 
In other words…it will be nothing like anything we have ever experienced.

Eternity, in our view, sounds like a billion years in succession, but in a realm without time, I doubt it would actually feel like this, and really, I dont think we can even guess about what its like, we can just not comprehend ‘no time’.
 
We live on a little rock in a very average star system on the outskirts of a very average galaxy, yet you think you know how everything must work? Please try again.
 
PRmerger said:
It’s all occurring in the Eternal Now.

All at once, from the perspective of Heaven. Linear timeline from the perspective of Man.
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How time could be linear from human perspective if Heaven is timeless?
 
YosefYosep said:
Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think the Church teaches either way whether or not heaven is strictly timeless. There seems to be, however, a sequential process after death. We depart from our bodies, we go to heaven, we are eventually united to our bodies. One could argue, then, that there are befores and afters in reference to heaven.
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I agree but the church apparently teaches a timeless Heaven. I don’t have any reference for that, I am sorry.
 
FractalFire said:
Christianity promises a restored Heaven *and *Earth, so even if Heaven IS timeless (which is debatable among Christians), it wouldn’t matter. Personally I don’t care whether heaven is timeless or not and I am not aware of any teaching requiring it to be one way or the other.

That being said, your logic here is still clumsy and wouldn’t convince me that heaven wasn’t timeless if I DID believe in a timeless heaven. There is no explicit reason why individuals can’t exist in a timeless state that I know of.
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My logic is very simple in this regards: Changeable thing cannot be timeless.
 
Neofight said:
The concept of linear time was a gift from God because man’s understanding is finite and limited. Another poster mentioned the Etnernal Now, which takes linearity out of the equation.

PEACE AND ALL GOOD!
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So you believe in timeless Heaven. That as it was argued is impossible.
 
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