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Hello,
Has anyone heard of Holy Love Ministry out in Ohio?
Has anyone heard of Holy Love Ministry out in Ohio?
Yes, I have been there and I am starting to be rather skeptical about the place.Hello,
Has anyone heard of Holy Love Ministry out in Ohio?
Yes, as I kinda mentioned above, the Bishop has said, (reading between the lines), that the organization is to be questioned. www.holylove.orgI have never heard of it before this thread. After a quick view through their website (keyword quick. 19 pages skimmed) I didn’t see any doctrinal red flags immediately.
Except:
The one thing that is a little disturbing is the disobedience to the bishop. This disobedience doesn’t conform to other private revelations like St. Faustina’s.
disobedience is not a little disturbing it is a deal breaker and proof positive what is going on is not from heavenI have never heard of it before this thread. After a quick view through their website (keyword quick. 19 pages skimmed) I didn’t see any doctrinal red flags immediately.
Except:
The one thing that is a little disturbing is the disobedience to the bishop. This disobedience doesn’t conform to other private revelations like St. Faustina’s.
Amen to that, puzzleannie. It doesn’t matter how “nice” the messages are; one sign of authenticity is obedience. Disobedience is a huge red flag that makes it easy to discern right off the bat that an apparition is false.disobedience is not a little disturbing it is a deal breaker and proof positive what is going on is not from heaven
I can’t speak for disobedience on the part of the ministry mentioned in this thread since I am unfamiliar with it, but I can tell you one way to discern the validity of an apparition is to observe the obedience of the seer to his or her Bishop and to the Church in general.Could someone please tell me about this disobedience? I’ve been googling it for a while without finding anything substantial.
I understood that our efforts, no matter how great, are not pleasing to God if they do not bear the seal of obedience; I am speaking about a religious soul. O God, how easy it is to know Your will in the convent! (354)
When I left the confessional and started to recite my penance, I heard these words: **I have granted the grace you asked for on behalf of that soul, but not because of the mortification you chose for yourself. Rather, it was because of your act of complete obedience to My representative that I granted this grace to that soul for whom you interceded and begged mercy. Know that when you mortify your own self-will, then Mine reigns within you **(365).
Yes, when you are obedient I take away your weakness and replace it with My strength. I am very surprised that souls do not want to make that exchange with Me. I said to the Lord, “Jesus, enlighten my heart, or else I, too, will not understand much from these words” (381).
My daughter, know that you give Me greater glory by a single act of obedience than by long prayers and mortifications (894).
**My daughter, you please me more by eating the oranges out of obedience and love of Me than by fasting and mortifying yourself of your own will. A soul that loves Me very much must, ought to live by My will **(1023).
I haven’t been able to find anything explicit about “disobedience” either. I can think of two things that might make people think that. First, according to some stuff published on the web site, I get the feeling that the bishop doesn’t approve of their accepting donations and apparently has questioned the validity of the messages since they ARE accepting donations; however, I can’t find anywhere where the bishop has explicitly forbidden them from accepting donations. Accepting donations while promoting an unapproved apparition might raise some eyebrows; but I don’t believe it constitutes active disobedience to their local bishop or the Magisterium of the Church.Could someone please tell me about this disobedience? I’ve been googling it for a while without finding anything substantial.
Well Gittles, I took you up on your offer and went to the Holy Love Ministry website and read a few messages. It didn’t take me more than three messages to get the impression is that they are not authentic.And just because i WANT this to be true - i need other people to help me with being critical, because i can’t really trust myself here …
The implication there is that the message comes first before Holy obedience to the Church. It compares waiting for Church approval to seeking the approval of the Pharisees - a dangerous setup for future disobedience when the followers conclude that spreading the message is more important than obedience should a Bishop declare that the messages aren’t to be promoted.The true disciple does not allow Satan to choke out the truth of these Messages in search of approval. If My apostles had waited for the Pharisees to approve of their ministry, there would have been no Christianity. Today, My disciples, recognize the urgency of these times—times that hold life itself in the balance. They are not afraid to stand out as My own in the midst of secular humanism. They recognize the truth and defend it.
Yeah, I agree with you. It does seem heretic. And yet - I’m not trying to beat a dead horse here, bear with me - it’s not really proof, is it? What was written there could mean a number of things.Well Gittles, I took you up on your offer and went to the Holy Love Ministry website and read a few messages. It didn’t take me more than three messages to get the impression is that they are not authentic.
People experiencing visions and locutions need to be under the advisement of a good spiritual director to help them discern if the messages are authentic, or a demonic deception.
Here is one from 1/5/08 that set off the red flags for me:
The implication there is that the message comes first before Holy obedience to the Church. It compares waiting for Church approval to seeking the approval of the Pharisees - a dangerous setup for future disobedience when the followers conclude that spreading the message is more important than obedience should a Bishop declare that the messages aren’t to be promoted.
This whole thing reminds me of Bayside, where years after the seer died, none of the messages that were so urgent have come true, no promised miracles have occurred, and some are continuing to promote the apparitions in flagrant disobedience to the Bishop who has condemned them.
Sounds to me like something Satan would do - lure people in with a “nice” message and then snare them into defiance and rebellion.