For the same reason that we have been discussing in this thread for quite a while now; Jesus has two natures, one human and one divine, and therefore his human nature is capable of not knowing certain things that his divine nature knows. A mystery of the Church.I start with this quote: Matt. 24:35-37, “Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words shall not pass away. 36But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. 37For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah.”
Yes, Jesus has two natures, divine and human, which the divine nature is superior to human nature so we expect that Jesus as a divine person knows everything.For the same reason that we have been discussing in this thread for quite a while now; Jesus has two natures, one human and one divine, and therefore his human nature is capable of not knowing certain things that his divine nature knows. A mystery of the Church.
And I already said all I have to say in the last thread regarding this topic, since it seems to me that you have been given all the information you need concerning Jesus’ two natures; all you need now is the Holy Spirit to open up your mind so you can see it.
So you are saying that Jesus was not divine anymore after incarnation.Jesus allowed himself to be limited by his human nature when he was on the earth.
“Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.”
(Phill 2:5-8)
Excellent. Thank you.Try listening to this sermon; it actually addresses this question directly:
traditionalsermons.com/sites/default/files/2016-01-10-The-Mystery-of-Christs-Two-Natures.mp3
No. Of course not. But, his humanity was not all knowing. It seems according to the Scriptures that Jesus was limited and he grew in wisdom and knowledge. Therefore, by uniting himself to the human nature he became like one of us in all things, except sin, while still being united to his divine nature.So you are saying that Jesus was not divine anymore after incarnation.
I feel the same way when thinking about this, I kind of think he DID know the exact day and hour, as he was fully God, even though he was fully human too, but it would have been pretty awkward and strange if Jesus answered their question and actually told them the date and time this would happen.The argument that Jesus’ dual nature prevents him from knowing the day and hour never made sense to me. When I’ve heard it sometimes described as “Jesus speaking from his human side” it’s as though he possessed multiple personalities. Besides, Jesus is said to be fully god as well as fully human, but by not being omniscient he can’t rightly be described as fully god.
Jesus on Earth is said several times to possess divine knowledge, so it’s not as though his human nature prevents him from possessing the knowledge of the day and hour. Heck, the idea that he knows that only the father knows is and of itself divine knowledge. What is the dividing line between divine knowledge Jesus can and can’t know?
Jesus having a human nature doesn’t explain why The Holy Spirit doesn’t know the day and hour. Why doesn’t The Holy Spirit know?
I completely agree. We know that Jesus knows future events, but supposedly not this one event. Imagine knowing the future and knowing an event would come but couldn’t see when it would occur. Clearly he would know the future events before the big event and after. Even if he had a blindspot to that special day and hour, he knows enough about the future to figure it out.I feel the same way when thinking about this, I kind of think he DID know the exact day and hour, as he was fully God, even though he was fully human too, but it would have been pretty awkward and strange if Jesus answered their question and actually told them the date and time this would happen.
One reason I think he did know, he was able to give them such accurate descriptions of the general times this was going to happen, he said it would be like the days of Noah, if he did not know, how would have known this?
Agreed. I have no problem that if Jesus knew the day and hour that he didn’t tell his followers or anyone else, since it would defeat the whole purpose of being there.Plus, if this had information had been given to them, everyone thru out history would also know this, so there would be no question when the end was coming, people could do as they pleased until the day it was to happen and then ask forgiveness, kind of defeats the entire purpose of his church and faith entirely.
But again we see that he possesses knowledge beyond his human intellect. It’s not a matter if Jesus on Earth possessed divine knowledge but how much. The argument doesn’t hold to say that Jesus’ human nature prevented such knowledge.God the Son chose to unite Himself to a human nature. That meant assuming not only a human body (so He could experience pain & death) but also a human soul (a human intellect & will). If the human intellect He assumed was all-knowing** it would not have been a human intellect**.
When, for whatever reason, Jesus “willed” (with His human and/or Divine will) to reveal only the knowledge in His human intellect , then it was the limited knowledge of His human nature that was expressed.
This is a mighty pyramid of presumptions built on top of each other to explain away this inconsistency of divine knowledge. Why did choose to “override” his physical limiations on such pieces of knowledge but not others? How do we know that he can make this choice? How does he know which divine knowledge he chooses to know and not know without first knowing it? How can we call Jesus fully God when he puts willfill limits on his omniscience?Just as Jesus could choose not to use His Divine Power to override the physical limitations in His human nature, so He could choose not to use His Divine knowledge to “fill up”, so to speak, His human intellect.
We are talking about the union between human and divine nature hence he as human being should know everything otherwise he is not divine.No. Of course not. But, his humanity was not all knowing. It seems according to the Scriptures that Jesus was limited and he grew in wisdom and knowledge. Therefore, by uniting himself to the human nature he became like one of us in all things, except sin, while still being united to his divine nature.
He of course could not switch off and on his divinity.God the Son chose to unite Himself to a human nature. That meant assuming not only a human body (so He could experience pain & death) but also a human soul (a human intellect & will). If the human intellect He assumed was all-knowing** it would not have been a human intellect**.
When, for whatever reason, Jesus “willed” (with His human and/or Divine will) to reveal only the knowledge in His human intellect , then it was the limited knowledge of His human nature that was expressed.
Just as Jesus could choose not to use His Divine Power to override the physical limitations in His human nature, so He could choose not to use His Divine knowledge to “fill up”, so to speak, His human intellect.
Yes, I agree.I completely agree. We know that Jesus knows future events, but supposedly not this one event. Imagine knowing the future and knowing an event would come but couldn’t see when it would occur. Clearly he would know the future events before the big event and after. Even if he had a blindspot to that special day and hour, he knows enough about the future to figure it out.
Agreed. I have no problem that if Jesus knew the day and hour that he didn’t tell his followers or anyone else, since it would defeat the whole purpose of being there.