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Bahman
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Impassible means that God lack feeling. How God could be love then?
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edward_george
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Love isn’t a feeling. For us humans it comes with a variety of feelings, but even for us, love is an act of the will. Ultimately it is to will the good of another. Since God is perfection itself, he wills the ultimate good of all things, thus sustaining them in existence.
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Charlemagne_III
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Scripture tells us that God made us in his image and likeness.
We are therefore more like than unlike God.
The things that differentiate us from God are evident enough.
That God should be impassible, or without feeling, is not evident enough.
We are therefore more like than unlike God.
The things that differentiate us from God are evident enough.
That God should be impassible, or without feeling, is not evident enough.
meltzerboy
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Who says that G-d lacks feeling? His feelings are no doubt of a different order than ours, a higher and more perfect order; but we were created in His likeness and image, which means our feelings are a reflection of His own.Impassible means that God lack feeling. How God could be love then?
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Bahman
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God knows everything at once. How could God have any feeling then?Scripture tells us that God made us in his image and likeness.
We are therefore more like than unlike God.
The things that differentiate us from God are evident enough.
That God should be impassible, or without feeling, is not evident enough.
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Bahman
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It is possible for us to feel because we are exposed to different situation at any given time hence we react accordingly, showing a specific emotion depending on the situation. God however knows everything at once hence he could not have any feeling.Who says that G-d lacks feeling? His feelings are no doubt of a different order than ours, a higher and more perfect order; but we were created in His likeness and image, which means our feelings are a reflection of His own.
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Bahman
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Love is a feeling.Love isn’t a feeling. For us humans it comes with a variety of feelings, but even for us, love is an act of the will. Ultimately it is to will the good of another. Since God is perfection itself, he wills the ultimate good of all things, thus sustaining them in existence.
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davidv
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That is one of many of its definitions. Why does this ones apply in this case?Love is a feeling.
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Bahman
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Because we know it. Love like other emotions, hate, anger, like,… is a feeling.That is one of many of its definitions. Why does this ones apply in this case?
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edward_george
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So when someone loves another enough to sacrifice his life, they were just acting on their feelings?Because we know it. Love like other emotions, hate, anger, like,… is a feeling.
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Wesrock
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I would like to read up on Aquinas. He discusses this in chapter 89 of the Summa Contra Gentiles and subsequent chapters.
I do know that Thomas makes a distinction between impassibility and impassitivity, and his argument is that God is not subject to passions, which are due to bodily appetities. But that is different from taking a constant and pure joy and love in creation and what is good.
I think any description must also be understood analogously. God “sees,” but obviously he doesn’t have eyes or sight as we do. God also loves, but not in the bodily way we do, or in any sense that starts or ends.
I do know that Thomas makes a distinction between impassibility and impassitivity, and his argument is that God is not subject to passions, which are due to bodily appetities. But that is different from taking a constant and pure joy and love in creation and what is good.
I think any description must also be understood analogously. God “sees,” but obviously he doesn’t have eyes or sight as we do. God also loves, but not in the bodily way we do, or in any sense that starts or ends.
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Bahman
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Yes.So when someone loves another enough to sacrifice his life, they were just acting on their feelings?
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Bahman
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I cannot understand how you reached to the conclusion (bold part).I would like to read up on Aquinas. He discusses this in chapter 89 of the Summa Contra Gentiles and subsequent chapters.
I do know that Thomas makes a distinction between impassibility and impassitivity, and his argument is that God is not subject to passions, which are due to bodily appetities. But that is different from taking a constant and pure joy and love in creation and what is good.
Jesus must mean love of God as we experience otherwise he could use different word when he said that “God is love”.I think any description must also be understood analogously. God “sees,” but obviously he doesn’t have eyes or sight as we do. God also loves, but not in the bodily way we do, or in any sense that starts or ends.
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Vico
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Divine compassion can coexist with the eternal happiness, which has been called by the Fathers, the passion of love, which is the total mercy toward human pain and suffering. God is full of compassion for the miseries of man and in that sense He suffers with them,Impassible means that God lack feeling. How God could be love then?
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CHRISTINE77
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Bahman, God IS love.Because we know it. Love like other emotions, hate, anger, like,… is a feeling.
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God Is Love
7 Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God. 8 Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love. 9 In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only Son into the world, so that we might live through him. 10 In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. 11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. 12 No one has ever seen God; if we love one another, God abides in us and his love is perfected in us.
13 By this we know that we abide in him and he in us, because he has given us of his Spirit. 14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. 15 Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God. 16 So we have come to know and to believe the love that God has for us. God is love, and whoever abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him. 17 By this is love perfected with us, so that we may have confidence for the day of judgment, because as he is so also are we in this world. 18 There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love. 19 We love because he first loved us. 20 If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot[a] love God whom he has not seen. 21 And this commandment we have from him: whoever loves God must also love his brother.
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Bahman
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So God is not impassible?Divine compassion can coexist with the eternal happiness, which has been called by the Fathers, the passion of love, which is the total mercy toward human pain and suffering. God is full of compassion for the miseries of man and in that sense He suffers with them,
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CHRISTINE77
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Who said He was?So God is not impassible?
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Vico
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Two different words: impassible (incapable of suffering) and impassable (unfathomable). So I see you are using “a” not “i”. But I think you mean “i”. Also impassive means insensible or indifferent.So God is not impassible?
God is immutable so he is impassible, that is, not subject to moods and passions. But God is not impassive.
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CHRISTINE77
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I disagree. In the Bible both the God of the Old Testament, his prophets and also Jesus Christ were extremely passionate! There was** nothing **lukewarm about them.Two different words: impassible (incapable of suffering) and impassable (unfathomable). So I see you are using “a” not “i”. But I think you mean “i”. Also impassive means insensible or indifferent.
God is immutable so he is impassible, that is, not subject to moods and passions. But God is not impassive.
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fisherman_carl
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As for love and impassibility, we know for sure that God is love. We know this more than he is impassible. Such that if either should contradict we should not doubt his love, only his impassibility. However, the two do not necessarily contradict. For if we say God does not have a body that has human emotions it does not mean that God does not understand human emotions. Nor does it say what God is, only what he is not. And since God is not deficient in any way his love is perfect and is generated out of his essence. Thus, God is the essence of love. If you strip away the emotional baggage what you have is to will the best possible good for the beloved. Our own love is a process of discovery. Our love changes and can grow or shrink. If our love is solely based on our emotions then our love will change with our emotions. God’s love is fully actualized. And his love does not change, nor can it, for his essence is goodness and love.
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