Yes, but you need to somehow unify human nature with divine nature otherwise you have four persons instead of three.In His Divine nature, He is immutable. But his human nature is not. The Catholic faith holds that the two natures are really distinct. The nature belonged to God, and was subsisted in by a Divine Person, who is unchangeable, but the nature in which he does things in is changeable, so the difficulty disappears.
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It is “unified”. This is known as the hypostatic union in Christology.Yes, but you need to somehow unify human nature with divine nature otherwise you have four persons instead of three.
Yes. But the question is that how you could unify a changeless nature with a changeable nature?It is “unified”. This is known as the hypostatic union in Christology.
What if we don’t know “how”? Does this make it untrue? Why?Yes. But the question is that how you could unify a changeless nature with a changeable nature?
Accept it or not, that is the Christian faith. The unification is presumed to be by G-d, not man.The hypostatic union is a mystery to us humans, as is the Trinitarian G-d. But that is what the Church believes and teaches. Case closed.Yes. But the question is that how you could unify a changeless nature with a changeable nature?
We are talking about a logically impossible case so we can clearly understand the situation.What if we don’t know “how”?
Yes.Does this make it untrue?
Because a logically impossible situation cannot come true.Why?
So you are telling me that Christian believe on a logically impossible being?Accept it or not, that is the Christian faith. The unification is presumed to be by G-d, not man.The hypostatic union is a mystery to us humans, as is the Trinitarian G-d. But that is what the Church believes and teaches. Case closed.
We are not talking about a logical impossibility. We talking about a real person, Jesus. That He had two nature is revealed truth. Having two natures is a mystery, but it is not a logical impossibility.We are talking about a logically impossible case so we can clearly understand the situation.
Yes.
Because a logically impossible situation cannot come true.
We have three concepts here: 1) a being, 2) changeable and 3) changeless. We are taking that a being cannot logically be changeable and changeless at the same time.We are not talking about a logical impossibility. We talking about a real person, Jesus. That He had two nature is revealed truth. Having two natures is a mystery, but it is not a logical impossibility.
*Any *human *being with human nature is subject to change. *We all know that Jesus claimed that he is God. We all know that God is changeless. We all know that any being with human nature is subject to change. How could we resolve this dilemma?
Your thoughts?
His human nature was changeable. He died, he was resurrected. Those are changes. His divine nature is unchangeable. It’s not illogical or impossible. You have a material body and a non-material intellect, yet you exist.We have three concepts here: 1) a being, 2) changeable and 3) changeless. We are taking that a being cannot logically be changeable and changeless at the same time.
And a divine nature as well. The hypostatic union says that Jesus was both fully human and fully divine.*Any *human *being with human nature is subject to change. *
Even after taking on a human nature, Jesus is not a human being with a human nature – Jesus is a divine being with a human nature.
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Micosil is right. The Hypostatic Union (CCC Glossary, page 882) is that the Divine Person (Jesus Christ) has two natures. The Divine Person assumed human nature.Yes. But the question is that how you could unify a changeless nature with a changeable nature?
Exactly.His human nature was changeable. He died, he was resurrected. Those are changes. His divine nature is unchangeable. It’s not illogical or impossible. You have a material body and a non-material intellect, yet you exist.
It is logically impossible. A unity of changeless and changeable nature is impossible.His human nature was changeable. He died, he was resurrected. Those are changes. His divine nature is unchangeable. It’s not illogical or impossible.
That model also has its own problems. I have several threads for that. One of the recent thread was about identity problem.You have a material body and a non-material intellect, yet you exist.
Jesus is a being with human and divine nature. This union is logically impossible.*Any *human *being with human nature is subject to change. *
Even after taking on a human nature, Jesus is not a human being with a human nature – Jesus is a divine being with a human nature.
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What do you mean with assume?Micosil is right. The Hypostatic Union (CCC Glossary, page 882) is that the Divine Person (Jesus Christ) has two natures. The Divine Person assumed human nature.
It does apply to your God. Jesus was a human being and you claim that he was God too.The question – “How you could unify a changeless nature with a changeable nature?” is bogus because it does not apply to God as described by Catholicism.
The concept of Holy trinity does not grant you any credit in this discussion even if it is correct.The Most Holy Trinity is three Persons in one divine nature.