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What is it about the born again Christians? They seem to have this joy about them. Those that I know are soooooo nice and soooo perky. We Catholics may have the market cornered in the reverence and humility department (that’s a good thing), but they seem to own the joy market. We get to offer up our sufferings while they get to enjoy the life that God’s given them.

Is there a good combination here?

I got the joy joy joy joy
Down in my heart
Down in my heart
Down in my heart

I got the joy joy joy joy
Down in my heart
Down in my heart today.

And I’m so happy
So very happy
I’ve got the joy
Of Jesus in my heart.

And I’m so happy
So very happy
I’ve got the joy
Of Jesus in my heart.

Anybody have a Granny Clampet photo to go along with this song?
 
no but I have a VBS picture of kids from 4 to 16 clapping, pickin’ and a-grinnin’ to this song, it is one of our favorites. Tip for CCD teachers: any time kids are bored, restless, start to act up, get them up and singing a song with any kind of movement.
 
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Is there a good combination here?
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Whether you realize it or not, Catholicism offers the perfect combination. During lent, we are observing the suffering and passion of our Lord Jesus Christ for forty days. At Pascha (Easter) we celebrate his Holy Resurrection with great joy for forty days until Pentecost. This is the perfect balance. Without the suffering, there is no resurrection. All throughout the liturgical year, we are worshipping God with great reverence and humility and singing hymns of joy and praise.

Peace,
Mickey
 
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Mickey:
Whether you realize it or not, Catholicism offers the perfect combination. During lent, we are observing the suffering and passion of our Lord Jesus Christ for forty days. At Pascha (Easter) we celebrate his Holy Resurrection with great joy for forty days until Pentecost. This is the perfect balance. Without the suffering, there is no resurrection. All throughout the liturgical year, we are worshipping God with great reverence and humility and singing hymns of joy and praise.

Peace,
Mickey
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Yes Mickey! Not to minimize the depth of what you’ve said, but on a lighter note we have Bingo, drinking, and dancing too. I guess that’s joy for ya’.
 
Quaere Verum:
Yes Mickey! Not to minimize the depth of what you’ve said, but on a lighter note we have Bingo, drinking, and dancing too. I guess that’s joy for ya’.
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That has nothing to do with praise and worship.

Personally, I don’t drink much and I don’t like bingo–but I see nothing wrong with dancing! 👍
 
The kind of exuberance we see in “born again” Christians can be genuine enough, but a good deal of it is euphoria not any real depth of spiritual joy–or as John Henry Cardinal Newman put it, “enthusiasm.”

It carries many along on a cloud of “unknowing” that is simple in both heart and head. The simple in heart part is fine, but the simple in head is not. They are easily led into error because they have no firm foundation in theology or history.

Many of these good people are like the seed scattered in shallow soil. They spring up quickly, but having no depth in which to grow they wither under the heat of the sun. Not all, of course, for the Holy Spirit works in the willing hearts of any who claim Christ, but that is the big pitfall of relying on one’s feelings to carry one along.
 
Quaere Verum:
What is it about the born again Christians? They seem to have this joy about them. Those that I know are soooooo nice and soooo perky. We Catholics may have the market cornered in the reverence and humility department (that’s a good thing), but they seem to own the joy market. We get to offer up our sufferings while they get to enjoy the life that God’s given them.
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I have to disagree with your analysis. The non-Catholics (a.k.a. “Born Agains”) are like teenagers who are in love for the first time. It’s all happy happy joy joy but there is no real committment.Basically it’s puppy love. CATHOLIC’s are like a marriage. In good times and bad, it’s the deep underlying love that brings us to deep reverance and respect of the Lord. BTW, I’m a Born Again Catholic so I get the best of both worlds thanks to the CFC.
 
I don’t know. Those born again friends and family members I know seem to have more than a superficial “good” feeling about their Christianity. They seem perpetually joyful & handle trials & tribulations with grace.

Your right **Mickey ** bingo, drinking, and dancing have nothing to do with praise and worship. Sorry to have implied that. You mentioned praise and worship year round in the liturgy. You are right; however, praise and worship without joy is lacking something don’t you think?

Maybe we can take a lesson from our nonCatholic brothers & sisters. How about our Charismatic Catholic brethern? They seem to have captured the joy.
 
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however, praise and worship without joy is lacking something don’t you think?
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Ah, but you are making a judgement call here. Because I am not jumping up and down singing from the rooftops, does not mean that I am not completely filled with joy and love for Jesus Christ. Different people show it in different ways. A solemn look of reverence does not mean that one is devoid of joy. 😉
Quaere Verum:
Maybe we can take a lesson from our nonCatholic brothers & sisters. How about our Charismatic Catholic brethern? They seem to have captured the joy.
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We can all learn lessons from eachother. 👍
 
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dhgray:
I have to disagree with your analysis. The non-Catholics (a.k.a. “Born Agains”) are like teenagers who are in love for the first time. It’s all happy happy joy joy but there is no real committment.Basically it’s puppy love. CATHOLIC’s are like a marriage. In good times and bad, it’s the deep underlying love that brings us to deep reverance and respect of the Lord. BTW, I’m a Born Again Catholic so I get the best of both worlds thanks to the CFC.
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This is the best explanation I’ve heard. Great job!! I’ll have to remember this. 👍

Lisa
 
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Lischou:
This is the best explanation I’ve heard. Great job!! I’ll have to remember this. 👍

Lisa
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I know both sides of the story…I’m a Catholic Convert. I’m also part a Charismatic Catholic community called Couples For Christ.
 
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dhgray:
I know both sides of the story…I’m a Catholic Convert. I’m also part a Charismatic Catholic community called Couples For Christ.
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Cool! I don’t really know anything about the Charismatic Catholic community. I too am a convert but from Southern Baptist…not very charismatic 🙂 . That’s why I could relate to your statement so well. I know exactly what you mean. We do have a richer, deeper, more joyous (in many ways) relationship with Christ in the Catholic Church. In the past, I had thought of it as a wading pool versus the ocean but I like your comparison much better…well said!

Lisa
 
But ya know everytime someone says oh I have the joy joy joy
immediately its thought they are shallow

And if someones not clapping then they are too solem

Maybe its all just “labels” we apply to one another but dont really reflect the truth of either situation.

But Jesus did say to praise Him in all things good and bad, so next time things are crummy just start singing that song, and see where you go.

Actually its brilliant to praise the Lord in the midst of struggle, because when one does then your mind comes off the struggle and centers on Christ and then you are “outside” your problem and can look at it clearly.

joy, joy, joy down in the heart, its only Christ 😃
 
Quaere Verum:
What is it about the born again Christians? They seem to have this joy about them. Those that I know are soooooo nice and soooo perky. We Catholics may have the market cornered in the reverence and humility department (that’s a good thing), but they seem to own the joy market. We get to offer up our sufferings while they get to enjoy the life that God’s given them.

Is there a good combination here?

I got the joy joy joy joy
Down in my heart
Down in my heart
Down in my heart

I got the joy joy joy joy
Down in my heart
Down in my heart today.

And I’m so happy
So very happy
I’ve got the joy
Of Jesus in my heart.

And I’m so happy
So very happy
I’ve got the joy
Of Jesus in my heart.

Anybody have a Granny Clampet photo to go along with this song?
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I sang this song as a child and I was always suspicious of it and I still am. Our idea of “happy” and God’s idea of “happy” don’t always mesh.

And we’re born again Christians, too, ya know…we just see it differently. Jesus said we HAD to be born again.
 
Aha…you said it. Superficial. And for many, that is just what it is. You’ve had some remarkably insightful comments to your OP, yet it seems you are still unsure. I come from a protestant background where the “multitudes” have that same look about them…every Sunday morning. Then they leave the building. I’ve learned that you can buy happiness at Wal-Mart or the Dairy Queen, but JOY is something that only fills us by each grace…I’m one JOYful Catholic and will come into full communion in 23 days!
I’ve got that JOY JOY JOY JOY down in my heart, down in my heart …TO STAY!
You can too~
Quaere Verum:
I don’t know. Those born again friends and family members I know seem to have more than a superficial “good” feeling about their Christianity. They seem perpetually joyful & handle trials & tribulations with grace.

Your right **Mickey **bingo, drinking, and dancing have nothing to do with praise and worship. Sorry to have implied that. You mentioned praise and worship year round in the liturgy. You are right; however, praise and worship without joy is lacking something don’t you think?

Maybe we can take a lesson from our nonCatholic brothers & sisters. How about our Charismatic Catholic brethern? They seem to have captured the joy.
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I wish there were a charismatic catholic church within an hours drive of here.

Some non-catholics have said that we are still stuck at the cross, while they are celebrating that Jesus rose again and is in heaven at the right hand of the Father. They have moved past it, and we linger. I like our way better. More balanced.
 
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reneeville:
Aha…you said it. Superficial. And for many, that is just what it is. You’ve had some remarkably insightful comments to your OP, yet it seems you are still unsure. I come from a protestant background where the “multitudes” have that same look about them…every Sunday morning. Then they leave the building. I’ve learned that you can buy happiness at Wal-Mart or the Dairy Queen, but JOY is something that only fills us by each grace…I’m one JOYful Catholic and will come into full communion in 23 days!
I’ve got that JOY JOY JOY JOY down in my heart, down in my heart …TO STAY!
You can too~
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Joy is that peace that passes understanding. Joy is Hope in the Lord and we have that in His death and Resurrection.😉
 
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Joy is that peace that passes understanding. Joy is Hope in the Lord and we have that in His death and Resurrection.😉
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Thats what the song is about 🙂

praise in all things.

As I thought of it thats a difference in service some are more enthusiatic some more quiet but isnt it really a reflection on peoples personalities. My catholic friend doesnt like a charasmtic service and Im not crazy for it either. But another friend I have loves it.

We all worship the Lord differently. If we all drew pictures for His Fridge, wouldnt He put them all on the fridge and love every one of them. 😃
 
We all worship the Lord differently. If we all drew pictures for His Fridge, wouldnt He put them all on the fridge and love every one of them.
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He would? How do you know this?
 
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