levi86:
I’m fascinated with this whole concept, does anyone know of any sites that deal with this “outside of time” thing?
Hello Levi,
The Church has always maintained that Jesus had human free will with which He could have chosen to sin and with which He did not choose to sin. The Church also believes that Jesus is eternal God incapable of sin for all eternity in the same Being. Jesus has two states Divine and human in the same Being. This is a crux (something believed but not fully understood) in the Church.
We as Catholics proclaim that Jesus is eternally begotten of God. When was Jesus eternally begotten of God? Scripture tells us that Jesus is eternally begotten of God upon His death and ressurection. We know that Jesus is God for all eternity. We know that Jesus is God infinitely before His physical birth in Bethlehem. If we look at God, (Jesus, the Father and the Holy Spirity) as being bound to physical time, it is impossible for Jesus to be eternal God incapable of sin and human free willed man capable of sin in the same Being. If we look at God as outside of physical time and those eternally begotten of God as outside of physical time, now we can begin to see, our Lord and God, Jesus Christ who truly was fully free willed man capable of sin (yet did not choose sin) and fully Divine God incapable of sin, for all eternity before creation, in the same Being.
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NAB PSA 2:4
He who is throned in heaven laughs; the LORD derides them; Then in anger he speaks to them; he terrifies them in his wrath: “I myself have
set up my king on Zion, my holy mountain. I will proclaim the
decree of the LORD: The LORD said to me,
'You are my son; this day I have begotten you. Ask of me and I will give you the nations for an inheritance and the ends of the earth for your possession. You shall rule them with an iron rod: you shall shatter them like an earthen dish.’”
NAB ACT 13:32
“We ourselves announce to you
the good news that what God promised our fathers he has fulfilled for us, their children,
in raising up Jesus, according to what is written in the second psalm, You are my son; this day I have begotten you.” **NAB JOH 3:3 **
Jesus gave him this answer: “
I solemnly assure you, no one can see the reign of God unless he is begotten from above.” “
How can a man be born again once he is old?” retorted Nicodemus. “Can he return to his mother’s womb and be born over again?” Jesus replied: “
I solemnly assure you, no one can enter into God’s kingdom without being begotten of water and Spirit.”
NAB 1PE 3:18
He was put to death insofar as fleshly existence goes, but was given life in the realm of the spirit.
NAB HEB 1:5 Messianic Enthronement.
To which of the angels did God ever say, “
You are my son; today I have begotten you”? Or again, “
I will be his father, and he
shall be my son”? And again, when he leads his
first-born into the world, he says, “Let all the angels of God worship him.”
NAB REV 1:4 Greetings.
To the seven churches in the province of Asia: John wishes you grace and peace – from him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven spirits before the throne, and from
Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the first-born from the dead and ruler of the kings of earth.
NAB PSA 89:27
“He shall say of me, ‘You are my father, my God, the Rock, my savior.’ And I will make him the
first-born, highest of the kings of the earth.”
NAB COL 1:15 Fullness and Reconciliation.
He is the image of the invisible God, the
first born of all creatures. In him everything in heaven and on earth was created, things visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominations, principalities, or powers; all were created through him, and for him. He is before all else that is. In him everything continues in being. It is he who is head of the body, the church; he who is the beginning, the** first-born of the dead**, so that primacy may be his in everything.
