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Ok, so I don’t understand what the big deal is about imigration reform. Can someone explain this to me? Personally, I think that if you want to imigrate to the US that you should have to do so legally. There is no place for illegal imigration in the United States, that is why they call it illegal . I would love it if someone could tell me what the big deal is?

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sadie2723:
I don’t understand what the big deal is about imigration reform.
Neither do I…our ancestors were once immigrants. I don’t see the point in not letting others into this country- just make them contribute to society the same as everybody else.
 
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m134e5:
Neither do I…our ancestors were once immigrants. I don’t see the point in not letting others into this country- just make them contribute to society the same as everybody else.
Amen! I see no reason for special dispensations for those who choose to not follow the same proceedures my German and Irish ansestors did.

Brad
 
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Amen! I see no reason for special dispensations for those who choose to not follow the same proceedures my German and Irish ansestors did.

Brad
Again, I will say, look at the 20 to 50 thousand Irish who are having trouble at the moment. Irish TDs and the Irish Lobby for Immigration Reform are pressuring the American government to do something about the thousands of Irish.

I do not like how a country with 30 to 40 million Irish Americans is ready to kick up to an estimated 50,000 Irish out.
 
Why don’t you all go look up the different proposed bills. No one is stopping immigration, we just need to adjust the laws.
 
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Zerith:
Again, I will say, look at the 20 to 50 thousand Irish who are having trouble at the moment. Irish TDs and the Irish Lobby for Immigration Reform are pressuring the American government to do something about the thousands of Irish.

I do not like how a country with 30 to 40 million Irish Americans is ready to kick up to an estimated 50,000 Irish out.
If they are here illegally they should be kicked out. What in the world does how many Irish decendants living here have to do with letting Irish immigrants into the country illegally? There are a lot of Mexican, Italians and Poles here too, do they also get the right to come in just because they want to? My wife is from Italy, my son in law is from Lebanon. They came here legally. Why shouldn’t everyone have to do so? The illegal immigrants are making it harder for the people who follow the rules to come.
 
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wabrams:
Why don’t you all go look up the different proposed bills. No one is stopping immigration, we just need to adjust the laws.
Exactly, we need to know who is coming in and why. We need to know that they have the means to get a job and not become a drain on our welfare system, that they are not bringin some disease and that they are not coming here to harm us. We need good immigrants but they need to follow our rules. If they can not do that they should stay home.
 
I am all for people immigrating legally.

However, the big deal is that we have allowed millions of families to move here, start families here, work here, buy homes, send their kids to school and live out their lives in every way. Now we are going to enforce something that should have been enforced years ago. I think it was immoral of us to let them go this far and then to turn them away. Businesses have not been stopped from using these people and now we want to just rid ourselves.

As Catholics we are bound to these people I think. We have been remiss in allowing them to be here. We did not enforce our laws. So now, when we are becoming more aware and are willing to finally take action- We have millions of people here that are already part of our society.

I agree that those that have gone through the legal channels should really come first. After that, I think we need to allow everyone that has successfully been able to be here for years to finally become legal. Let them pay fines for misusing the system and then move on.

If we could enforce businesses hiring only legal people, then all of this would really be minimized.
 
I totally have a solution for this. There are laws on the books right now that make it illegal for people to employ someone that is not a legal US citizen. So, lets just take those laws and give them some teath. Here is an idea: If we find that you employ an illegal, we fine you 500,000 dollars per incident and give you five years in jail.

End of immigration problem. If illegals did not have jobs, they would not come. Period.
 
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sadie2723:
I totally have a solution for this. There are laws on the books right now that make it illegal for people to employ someone that is not a legal US citizen. So, lets just take those laws and give them some teath. Here is an idea: If we find that you employ an illegal, we fine you 500,000 dollars per incident and give you five years in jail.

End of immigration problem. If illegals did not have jobs, they would not come. Period.
You’ve put your finger on a hugely important aspect of this problem. Cheap labor is virtually the lifeblood of the American establishment. It has always been thus.

I can’t help but think that our leaders would have solved this long ago if it weren’t for the notion that they think the American economy couldn’t survive without cheap labor.

It sounds cynical to say, but it seems that, given a choice, our leaders would rather take the chance that a terrorist could sneak in with a dirty bomb than take a chance that their supply of cheap labor might dry up.

That’s my opinion.
 
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sadie2723:
I totally have a solution for this. There are laws on the books right now that make it illegal for people to employ someone that is not a legal US citizen. So, lets just take those laws and give them some teath. Here is an idea: If we find that you employ an illegal, we fine you 500,000 dollars per incident and give you five years in jail.

End of immigration problem. If illegals did not have jobs, they would not come. Period.
Exactly. The companies should be fined twice: once for not paying the same wages for migrant labor as regular people, and another fine for hiring illegals in the first place. Then companies don’t have a reason to hire illegal labor.
 
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sadie2723:
I totally have a solution for this. There are laws on the books right now that make it illegal for people to employ someone that is not a legal US citizen. So, lets just take those laws and give them some teath. Here is an idea: If we find that you employ an illegal, we fine you 500,000 dollars per incident and give you five years in jail.

End of immigration problem. If illegals did not have jobs, they would not come. Period.
We should also charge the Mexican government for all the poor Mexicans that U.S. taxpayers have to pay for.

I personally think it is wrong to deny medical and education benefits to an illegal immigrant or just deport the whole lot of them. Maybe forcing the Mexican government to reimburse the U.S. taxpayer for taking care of Mexican citizenry will convince the Mexican government to take care of their own problems. Maybe they will stop the illegal immigration on their side.

I don’t mind the U.S. lending a helping hand for the downtrodden but it boils my blood knowing that elitists in Mexico are taking advantage of the American welcome mat in order to ignore their own responsibilty to their poor and shove them on us.
 
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Lance:
If they are here illegally they should be kicked out. What in the world does how many Irish decendants living here have to do with letting Irish immigrants into the country illegally? There are a lot of Mexican, Italians and Poles here too, do they also get the right to come in just because they want to? My wife is from Italy, my son in law is from Lebanon. They came here legally. Why shouldn’t everyone have to do so? The illegal immigrants are making it harder for the people who follow the rules to come.
MANY Irish people (including most likely my ancestors- and probably those of many on this board) came over here during the 1800’s when the potato famine hit. We have them to thank for much of the Catholic presence here in this country. They weren’t exactly welcome. There is plenty written about the struggles faced by Irish immigrants to the US. It was not easy having old-world traditions and an old-world religion in 19th century America. There weren’t immigration laws at the time- they just risked getting their houses or churches or schools burned down while the local law enformcement simply turned a blind eye to it.

Allowing immigrants to come in as they please (there should be screening, to weed out the terrorists, but honestly- most simply want a better life for themselves and their families and they believe they can find that here) would not destroy our economy. ILLEGAL immigrants do. If more were allowed to come over legally, they would pay taxes like the rest of us. If finding necessary cheap labor is a problem, then, for certain jobs, they should lower the minimum wage- find some way to work it out. I’m sure our economists and bankers could figure something out.
 
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It sounds cynical to say, but it seems that, given a choice, our leaders would rather take the chance that a terrorist could sneak in with a dirty bomb than take a chance that their supply of cheap labor might dry up.

That’s my opinion.

Or, in their opinion even worse, they would lose the Hispanic vote. Neither the Reps or the Dems really want to take on this issue. They would rather spend a lot of time talking about it, pointing fingers at each other and hoping nothing like a dirty bomb happens on their watch.
 
ARE WE MORALLY JUSTIFIED TO CLOSE OUR BODERS TO THOSE IN NEED? IF SO WHAT CATHOLIC DOCUMENT COULD YOU DIRECT ME TOO? Thanks and God bless.
 
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anti_islam:
ARE WE MORALLY JUSTIFIED TO CLOSE OUR BODERS TO THOSE IN NEED? IF SO WHAT CATHOLIC DOCUMENT COULD YOU DIRECT ME TOO? Thanks and God bless.
Is it morally justified to take anyone in to the point it bankrupts our country, leaving every American in need?
 
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wabrams:
Is it morally justified to take anyone in to the point it bankrupts our country, leaving every American in need?
Is it morally justified to put Americans at significant risk to terrorist attacks by having boarders in such a state that they our country can be infultrated at any moment by anyone? Can we be justified in having boarder patrol officers be shot at every night that they are on duty? (They are, I have a friend that once had that job.) The bottom line is that there is a process that you need to follow, for the sake of security, before entering this country. And it is a good process to have.
 
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sadie2723:
Is it morally justified to put Americans at significant risk to terrorist attacks by having boarders in such a state that they our country can be infultrated at any moment by anyone? Can we be justified in having boarder patrol officers be shot at every night that they are on duty? (They are, I have a friend that once had that job.) The bottom line is that there is a process that you need to follow, for the sake of security, before entering this country. And it is a good process to have.
I couldn’t agree with you more; and I’ve got a friend who is current border patrol and they still get shot at on a daily basis.
 
I was requesting that someone cite catholic doctrine that I may have a more accurate opinion. I agree with your satements wholeheartedly. Check my comments on Michael Savage to confirm this.
 
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anti_islam:
I was requesting that someone cite catholic doctrine that I may have a more accurate opinion. I agree with your satements wholeheartedly. Check my comments on Michael Savage to confirm this.
No worries. As far as the Catholic doctrine goes, you are going to have to give me a little time on that one, but I will try to find it. Thanks.
 
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