Immaculate Conception obligation

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Wife and I while being officially RC have visited EC churches and agree more with their theology, especially in view of IC. Although we have gone back to a closer RC church for practical reasons. The feast of IC is a holy day of obligation for RC’s and seems strange to celebrate something we don’t particularly believe in. Anyone in similar boat?
 
Wife and I while being officially RC have visited EC churches and agree more with their theology, especially in view of IC. Although we have gone back to a closer RC church for practical reasons. The feast of IC is a holy day of obligation for RC’s and seems strange to celebrate something we don’t particularly believe in. Anyone in similar boat?
Am I correct in assuming then that you are considering leaving the Catholic Church? It is my understanding that dogmas must be believed by all faithful Catholics. If I am wrong on this point, please correct me.

Regardless, I do not think you will hear of any faithful Catholics with this problem.

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If you’re going to a Roman parish, then you do what the Romans do.
 
My personal opinion is that you should choose one church and then submit to it fully. Don’t pick and choose. It only hurts both traditions.

You are formed in the west, attending in the west, confessing and communing in the west. Follow the western rules out of obedience. The east does not reject the dogmatic proclamations of the Immaculate Conception. It’s theological understanding and practice is different. That’s not reason enough to disobey your church’s clear direction.

If you feel conflicted between your beliefs and your practice, call Fr. Pavlo at St. Sophia’s and talk to him about how you can bring those into alignment. There are many who have been in your shoes. Disobedience isn’t where God is leading. If He’s leading to the East, make the sacrifices to get there. What option do we have but to obey His will?
 
Good advice on needing to attend. Thank you.
I’m not against it per se. It’s more of gently continuing to guide my wife in the catholic/orthodox faith but she misses protestant churches…
 
Wife and I while being officially RC have visited EC churches and agree more with their theology, especially in view of IC. Although we have gone back to a closer RC church for practical reasons. The feast of IC is a holy day of obligation for RC’s and seems strange to celebrate something we don’t particularly believe in. Anyone in similar boat?
Our Byzantine parish does not celebrate The Maternity of the Holy Anna with a Divine Liturgy since the parishioners must come long distances, but also it is not obligatory. Yet is it an important solemnity to me, being a Byzantine Catholic member the Confraternity of the Immaculate Conception.
 
Since Eastern Catholics believe in the Papacy, and the Pope defined the IC as dogma, then it follows that we should give assent to this dogma… I am Eastern Catholic, though more Roman in practice, I believe this dogma. I think in the East, they use different expressions as has already been said… it’s also believed that she’s sinless. 🙂
 
Since Eastern Catholics believe in the Papacy, and the Pope defined the IC as dogma, then it follows that we should give assent to this dogma… I am Eastern Catholic, though more Roman in practice, I believe this dogma. I think in the East, they use different expressions as has already been said… it’s also believed that she’s sinless. 🙂
Sigh, why can’t Roman Catholics just let the Eastern Catholics keep their own traditions? 😦
 
Eastern Catholics have different holydays of obligation from Roman Catholics. The Feast of the Maternity of Anna (Dec. 8 or Dec. 9) is not one of them. Different Roman Catholic jurisdictions do not have the same holydays of obligation. According to documents of the recent Popes, Eastern Catholics are to keep to their own Traditions and Doctrines.
The Eastern Churches have always recognized the sinlessness of the Theotokos (Mother of God) but have a different concept of Original Sin. Many Roman Catholic Theologians acknowledged Mary’s sinlessness but not the Immaculate Conception (St. Thomas Aquinas for one.)
 
Wife and I while being officially RC have visited EC churches and agree more with their theology, especially in view of IC. Although we have gone back to a closer RC church for practical reasons. The feast of IC is a holy day of obligation for RC’s and seems strange to celebrate something we don’t particularly believe in. Anyone in similar boat?
The Eastern church absolutely commemorates the Conception of the Theotokos, though I do not know whether the feast is obligatory. Please remember that what binds us is not what separates us. 🙂
 
Must we attend Mass on this day? Because I work 9-9… and I didn’t know if this was one that carries over to Sunday or not… sorry, mildly off topic! Haha.
 
Wife and I while being officially RC have visited EC churches and agree more with their theology, especially in view of IC. Although we have gone back to a closer RC church for practical reasons. The feast of IC is a holy day of obligation for RC’s and seems strange to celebrate something we don’t particularly believe in. Anyone in similar boat?
Since you are still canonically Latin and remain active parishoners in the Latin Church I think there is little question that the Feast of the Immaculate Conception Dec. 8 on the Latin calendar is a Holy Day of Obligation for you if you live in the US or one of the other countries where it is a Holy Day of Obligation. It is certainly not universally a Holy Day of Obligation in the Latin Church.

And it is not a major feast in the Eastern and Orthodox Calendar although we commemorate the Conception of the Most Holy Mother of God by the Righteous Anna on Dec. 9th, with apparently some exceptions in the US allowing for it to be on the 8th, “in unison with our Roman Catholic brethren”.

We do have feasts which are "obligations’ in the East although we don’t call them that typically, and the Conception of the Most Holy Mother of God by the Righteous Anna is not amongst those according to our canon law, although a Church sui iuris may have their own “particular law” and hierarchs which may dictate something different in that particular Church.

CCEO Canon Canon 880:
Holy days of obligation common to all the Eastern Churches, beyond Sundays, are the Nativity of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Epiphany, the Ascension, the Dormition of the Holy Mary Mother of God and the Holy Apostles Peter and Paul except for the particular law of a Church sui iuris approved by the Apostolic See which suppresses a holy days of obligation or transfers them to a Sunday.
I’m happy to share in the Holy Mass at my local Latin parish today even though there is no obligation on me as a Russian Greek Catholic to assist in a Liturgy for this feast. 🙂 Perhaps on the Feast of the Holy Apostles Peter and Paul next year some of them will come share in our joyous feast. 🙂
 
Wife and I while being officially RC have visited EC churches and agree more with their theology, especially in view of IC. Although we have gone back to a closer RC church for practical reasons. The feast of IC is a holy day of obligation for RC’s and seems strange to celebrate something we don’t particularly believe in. Anyone in similar boat?
If you are CAtholic you believe in this doctrine. If you are changing rites, then do so, but there is no benefit or truth in thinking this involves attacking the theology of one or the other. If your are RC it is still a holy day of obligation regardless of your personal feelings. The difference you seem to perceive in the theology is subtle and not as easily dismissed as you seem to think. If you are thinking of changing rites don’t do so without learning that theology and its development as you seem to be under the impression we can believe entirely different things about essential doctrines, which is simply not true.
 
Just to say, it is not universally a Holy Day of Obligation in the Latin Church, although it is one in the US, and OP is in the US. 🙂
Ten universal in the Latin canons, an five in the eastern canons, but with supressions and transfers.

CIC 1246 §1.
Sunday, on which by apostolic tradition the paschal mystery is celebrated, must be observed in the universal Church as the primordial holy day of obligation. The following days must also be observed: the Nativity of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Epiphany, the Ascension, the Body and Blood of Christ, Holy Mary the Mother of God, her Immaculate Conception, her Assumption, Saint Joseph, Saint Peter and Saint Paul the Apostles, and All Saints.

CCEO 880 §3.
Holy days of obligation common to all the Eastern Churches are, apart from Sundays, the Nativity of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Epiphany, the Ascension, the Dormition of Holy Mary the Mother of God, and the Holy Apostles Peter and Paul, except for a particular law of a sui iuris Church, approved by the Apostolic, which suppresses some holy days of obligation or transfers them to a Sunday.
 
Ten universal in the Latin canons, an five in the eastern canons, but with supressions and transfers.

CIC 1246 §1.
Sunday, on which by apostolic tradition the paschal mystery is celebrated, must be observed in the universal Church as the primordial holy day of obligation. The following days must also be observed: the Nativity of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Epiphany, the Ascension, the Body and Blood of Christ, Holy Mary the Mother of God, her Immaculate Conception, her Assumption, Saint Joseph, Saint Peter and Saint Paul the Apostles, and All Saints.
CIC 1246 §2. With the prior approval of the Apostolic See, however, the conference of bishops can suppress some of the holy days of obligation or transfer them to a Sunday.

You’re of course correct that it is due to suppressions or transfers that the Feast of the Immaculate Conception is not a Holy Day of Obligation for the Latin Church in so many countries.
 
CIC 1246 §2. With the prior approval of the Apostolic See, however, the conference of bishops can suppress some of the holy days of obligation or transfer them to a Sunday.

You’re of course correct that it is due to suppressions or transfers that the Feast of the Immaculate Conception is not a Holy Day of Obligation for the Latin Church in so many countries.
I’m not sure of the source, but I did read that the minimum number (Latin) of Catholic holy days to be celebrated (in addition to Sundays) is two: one Marian and the Nativity. That is what the Canadian bishops have made the minimum for the Latin Church. In that respect, it seems that eastern Catholics, in practice, have more, with one Marian (Dormition), and the Nativity, plus Theophany, Ascension (on Thursday), and Sts. Peter and Paul. (I think the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church adds the Annunciation, some places.)
 
I’m not sure of the source, but I did read that** the minimum number (Latin) of Catholic holy days to be celebrated (in addition to Sundays) is two: one Marian and the Nativity**. That is what the Canadian bishops have made the minimum for the Latin Church.
I hadn’t heard of that. Hawai’i also has only two Holy Days of Obligation, the Feast of the Immaculate Conception and Christmas, which matches that “formula”.
 
I’m not sure of the source, but I did read that** the minimum number (Latin) of Catholic holy days to be celebrated (in addition to Sundays) is two: one Marian and the Nativity**. That is what the Canadian bishops have made the minimum for the Latin Church.
I hadn’t heard of that. Hawai’i also has only two Holy Days of Obligation, the Feast of the Immaculate Conception and Christmas, which matches that “formula”.
In that respect, it seems that eastern Catholics, in practice, have more, with one Marian (Dormition), and the Nativity, plus Theophany, Ascension (on Thursday), and Sts. Peter and Paul. (I think the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church adds the Annunciation, some places.)
When looking only at the minimum in the CCEO. I honestly was shocked to see that when I quoted the CCEO because I have understood that all of our Twelve Great Feasts are celebrated as if what in the West are “obligations”. It’s part of the difference in mentality I guess, and one that sadly we see the lacking CCEO does in this lack… but which of course various Churches sui iuris, such as my own, seem to have made up for by treating the Twelve Great Feasts as central to our sacramental liturgical year, and thus to be fully celebrated by all.
 
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