Joan of Arc and the Visible Church

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At the time of her death, what was Joan of Arc’s status in the Visible Church?

The reason I ask is because at the time of her death Miss of Arc was in a state of excommunication, which means if you asked her neighbors around at the time if she was a member of the Church they would say “non”.

Later on, of course, it was found that the persons who excommunicated Miss of Arc were wrong, meaning she was a member of the Church that whole time–anyone who, at the time, thought she was not part of the Church was mistaken, that is there was a person in their midst who was an (invisible?) member of the Church and they didn’t know it.
 
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Angainor:
At the time of her death, what was Joan of Arc’s status in the Visible Church?

The reason I ask is because at the time of her death Miss of Arc was in a state of excommunication, which means if you asked her neighbors around at the time if she was a member of the Church they would say “non”.

Later on, of course, it was found that the persons who excommunicated Miss of Arc were wrong, meaning she was a member of the Church that whole time–anyone who, at the time, thought she was not part of the Church was mistaken, that is there was a person in their midst who was an (invisible?) member of the Church and they didn’t know it.
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No, most of her neighbours would have said she was a living saint, before during and after her supposed excommunication and burning at the stake. A lot of the English who wanted her destroyed because of her political power may well not have believed truly that she was a witch or a heretic either. Same goes for a lot of the clerics who tried her and pronounced her excommunication and were either frightened of the English or the Bishop (?) or their political supporters and not considering things from an unbiased theological standpoint (?) .

All in all I’d say her status was pretty good.
 
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Angainor:
The reason I ask is because at the time of her death Miss of Arc was in a state of excommunication, which means if you asked her neighbors around at the time if she was a member of the Church they would say “non”.
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People knew sanctity when they saw it. The English bishops worshipped their country- not God (which got them into trouble a few centuries later)- and I think the French people saw that too.
 
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People knew sanctity when they saw it. The English bishops worshipped their country- not God (which got them into trouble a few centuries later)- and I think the French people saw that too.
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Really? They were allowed to use their own judgement to conclude the Bishops were wrong?
 
It is late and I will probably regret this. . .but

Angainor, she is not “Miss of Arc”. Come on now, you’re a literate cultured person.

If you feel she MUST have an honorific and you’re hesitant to call her “saint”, and you don’t have the French for Mademoiselle Jeanne, also known as Jeanne La Pucelle and The Maid of Orleans, then just make it “Joan of Arc”. Would you call Paul of Tarsus, “Mr. of Tarsus”, for goodness sake?

I truly don’t mean to sound persnickety or high and mighty and I hope this doesn’t offend you, please forgive me if it does.

Let’s correct the error early enough on in this thread, s’il vous plait.

Bon soir!
 
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Angainor, she is not “Miss of Arc”. Come on now, you’re a literate cultured person.
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Cultured? Maybe, but not necessarily “high” culture. :o

I do have lots of respect for Mlle Joan. She stood fast to what she believed to be true.
 
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