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cestusdei
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Yep, she goes to hell and terrorists who murder innocents go to heaven. The religion of pieces.
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Cyber_Knight
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piss be upon him, fatherâŚ
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pbaylis
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We donât hate people here. We obey Jesus commands and pray for our enemies. We love them.
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Cyber_Knight
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we do not hate muslims. that was just our expressions.
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Cyber_Knight
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I hate Islam and muhammad. I hate the teaching. If they didnt teach stupid teachings, those people on the forum woudnt quote quranic versesâŚ
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Muslim
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are any of them judging who goes to hell and who goes to heaven?
*"Re: MOTHER TERESA: Of those Whose Deeds Have Been In Vain
why do you guys start threads like this? donât you realize it will just start fitnah with non muslims. or is that the aim here? why make mother teresa in all caps, trying to draw in attention like that?
subhanAllah
who are we to judge others? Allah alone is the perfect judge
Mother Theresa helped, supported and fed many muslims in her life
threads like this should be removed"*
perfect response.
*"Re: MOTHER TERESA: Of those Whose Deeds Have Been In Vain
why do you guys start threads like this? donât you realize it will just start fitnah with non muslims. or is that the aim here? why make mother teresa in all caps, trying to draw in attention like that?
subhanAllah
who are we to judge others? Allah alone is the perfect judge
Mother Theresa helped, supported and fed many muslims in her life
threads like this should be removed"*
perfect response.
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Cyber_Knight
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See the quranic verses they quote, muslim.
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Cyber_Knight
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Does anyone having difficulties to the link I provide here??.. It worked few minutes ago⌠and now⌠
I think they closed it. CAUGHT IN THE ACT 
I think they closed it. CAUGHT IN THE ACT
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Muslim
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Cyber Knight:
âThose who believe, and the Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieveâ
anyways the site works
well⌠i am not a judge, neither are they⌠there are Quranic verses that says the opposite⌠everything has to be in contextâŚSee the quranic verses they quote, muslim.
âThose who believe, and the Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieveâ
anyways the site works
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lorrainerich
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Cyber Knight:
The link you provided is of a forum, in which someone like you qouted some verses either out of context or irrelevant.
I am amazed that you didnât check even that forum careffully and probably thought that everything that is claimed/said against islam by any non-Muslim must be true.
Your attitude towards Muslims and Islam doesnât seem sincere and it shows how much serious you are when it comes to Islam/Muslims.
Now tell me which Muslim is going to take your words seriously after seeing this thread created by you?
As a sidenote, Catholics are not even sure, where innocent babies (of non-christian parents who die in their childhood) go. Hell or heaven? What crime they committed that Church is still facing a controversy in this regard and even has came up with a new idea/term such as limbo?
And how about Buddhists monks? In your book, are they saved if they donât accept Jesus as their saviour? How about someone who is completely cut off from human collective social societies, lived in caves or issolated places?
It is must to know what the Quran says in Surah 3, verses 113 to 117:
**Yet all the people of the Book are not alike: there are among them some who are steadfastly on the right path; who recite the Revelations of Allah at night and fall prostrate before Him; who believe in AIlah and the Last Day; who enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong and remain earnestly engaged in good works; these are the righteous people, and whatever good they do, they will not be denied the just reward for it, for Allah knows full well the pious people.
As for those who have adopted the way of disbelief, neither their wealth nor their children shall avail them against Allah; they deserve Hell, and there they shall abide for ever. Whatever they are spending in this worldly life may be likened to the wind that brings frost in it and smites and destroys totally the tillage of those who have been unjust to themselves; Allah has not done any injustice to them but in fact they themselves are doing injustice to themselves. ** Quran 3:113-117
About the wind, frost, and the tillage, a Muslim scholar provides an explanation in these words:
In this similitude, âtillageâ stands for human life, for one sows in it deeds or misdeeds which one shall have to harvest in the Next World. The âwindâ refers to the superficial and hypocritical show of charity that impels the unbelievers to spend their wealth in charity and public works. And âfrostâ refers to the lack of faith and willingness to obey the Divine Law in its right spirit, which makes void the acts and deeds of oneâs life. By this similitude, AIlah teaches this lesson; just as air is very useful for the growth of crops but it also destroys these if there is frost in it: in the same way charity helps nourish the harvest that is to be reaped in the Next World but it destroys the same, if it is poisoned with unbelief.
It is obvious that Allah is the Master of man as well as of the wealth that he possesses and of the kingdom in which he is acting. Now, if this slave of Allah does not acknowledge the Sovereignty of his Master or unlawfully sets up other objects of worship and does not obey His Law in his exploitation of His wealth and kingdom, he shall be guilty of a crime. Therefore, he will not be entitled to any reward for his charity, but shall be prosecuted for his unlawful exploitation. The charity of such a man maybe likened to the charity of a servant who steals a sum of money from the treasure of his master and spends it as he likes.
See, when you look any issue of Islam with full context, it makes perfect sense.
But if you have already decided to hate Muslims/Islam (without knowing it properly) then no one can change your view.
But you should ask yourself a question: is your adopted attitude a right approach, of someone who claims to follow Jesus?
Hi Cyber Knight,Does anyone having difficulties to the link I provide here??.. It worked few minutes ago⌠and nowâŚ
The link you provided is of a forum, in which someone like you qouted some verses either out of context or irrelevant.
I am amazed that you didnât check even that forum careffully and probably thought that everything that is claimed/said against islam by any non-Muslim must be true.
Your attitude towards Muslims and Islam doesnât seem sincere and it shows how much serious you are when it comes to Islam/Muslims.
Now tell me which Muslim is going to take your words seriously after seeing this thread created by you?
As a sidenote, Catholics are not even sure, where innocent babies (of non-christian parents who die in their childhood) go. Hell or heaven? What crime they committed that Church is still facing a controversy in this regard and even has came up with a new idea/term such as limbo?
And how about Buddhists monks? In your book, are they saved if they donât accept Jesus as their saviour? How about someone who is completely cut off from human collective social societies, lived in caves or issolated places?
It is must to know what the Quran says in Surah 3, verses 113 to 117:
**Yet all the people of the Book are not alike: there are among them some who are steadfastly on the right path; who recite the Revelations of Allah at night and fall prostrate before Him; who believe in AIlah and the Last Day; who enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong and remain earnestly engaged in good works; these are the righteous people, and whatever good they do, they will not be denied the just reward for it, for Allah knows full well the pious people.
As for those who have adopted the way of disbelief, neither their wealth nor their children shall avail them against Allah; they deserve Hell, and there they shall abide for ever. Whatever they are spending in this worldly life may be likened to the wind that brings frost in it and smites and destroys totally the tillage of those who have been unjust to themselves; Allah has not done any injustice to them but in fact they themselves are doing injustice to themselves. ** Quran 3:113-117
About the wind, frost, and the tillage, a Muslim scholar provides an explanation in these words:
In this similitude, âtillageâ stands for human life, for one sows in it deeds or misdeeds which one shall have to harvest in the Next World. The âwindâ refers to the superficial and hypocritical show of charity that impels the unbelievers to spend their wealth in charity and public works. And âfrostâ refers to the lack of faith and willingness to obey the Divine Law in its right spirit, which makes void the acts and deeds of oneâs life. By this similitude, AIlah teaches this lesson; just as air is very useful for the growth of crops but it also destroys these if there is frost in it: in the same way charity helps nourish the harvest that is to be reaped in the Next World but it destroys the same, if it is poisoned with unbelief.
It is obvious that Allah is the Master of man as well as of the wealth that he possesses and of the kingdom in which he is acting. Now, if this slave of Allah does not acknowledge the Sovereignty of his Master or unlawfully sets up other objects of worship and does not obey His Law in his exploitation of His wealth and kingdom, he shall be guilty of a crime. Therefore, he will not be entitled to any reward for his charity, but shall be prosecuted for his unlawful exploitation. The charity of such a man maybe likened to the charity of a servant who steals a sum of money from the treasure of his master and spends it as he likes.
See, when you look any issue of Islam with full context, it makes perfect sense.
But if you have already decided to hate Muslims/Islam (without knowing it properly) then no one can change your view.
But you should ask yourself a question: is your adopted attitude a right approach, of someone who claims to follow Jesus?
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Cyber_Knight
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Justice2006/Freedumb is back!!! welcome!! Well, what can I say? I just simply put the forum for people to read. They explain anything. I dont have to say more. If you think you are capable to explain, then explain here, do not attack my thread 
nice try!! 
nice try!!
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Cyber_Knight
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Yeah it works again now LOL⌠it seems funny heh!! are you member of ummah.com?
anyway I like this verse :
As for the unbelievers, they shall be consigned to perdition, and He will bring their deeds to nothing. That is because they hate the revelations of Allah; therefore, He rendered their deeds fruitless. 47.8-9
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Muslim
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Cyber Knight:
i was just browsing that forum and they have some twisted minded people on that site⌠like the kill americans kind of people⌠just like 3-4 of them that i have seen post
nah im not a member of that site. im not really member of any Islamic siteâŚonly anti Islamic onesâŚ
i was just browsing that forum and they have some twisted minded people on that site⌠like the kill americans kind of people⌠just like 3-4 of them that i have seen post
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Cyber_Knight
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Oh good!!
twisted minded people? hmmm⌠maybe they quote the verses (or do it) out of context? What would you do as a good and right muslim? dont you suppose to go there and tell them that they are wrong? I think that would be useful rather than hang around on the anti islamic site
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Cyber Knight:
i go to anti Islamic sites just to see the absurdity of some of the posts thereâŚthats how I reverted to Islam anywaysâŚby going to antiIslamic site and then researching Islam from unbiased sources.
i actually did join the site and going to try to post messagesâŚOh good!!
twisted minded people? hmmm⌠maybe they quote the verses (or do it) out of context? What would you do as a good and right muslim? dont you suppose to go there and tell them that they are wrong? I think that would be useful rather than hang around on the anti islamic site
i go to anti Islamic sites just to see the absurdity of some of the posts thereâŚthats how I reverted to Islam anywaysâŚby going to antiIslamic site and then researching Islam from unbiased sources.
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lorrainerich
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Cyber Knight:
Surah 47, verses 1 to 13
Those who disbelieved and debarred (others) from Allahâs Way, Allah rendered their works fruitless. As for those who believed, and did good works, and accepted that which has been sent down to Muhammad -and it is the very Truth from their Lord-Allah removed their evils from them and set their condition right. This is because the disbelievers followed falsehood and the believers followed the Truth which has come from their Lord. Thus does Allah make the people aware of their true state.
Therefore, when you meet the disbelievers in the battle-field, first smite their necks; then, when you have crushed them completely, bind the prisoners tight. After that (you have the choice) whether you show them favour or accept ransom, until the war lays down its arms. So shall you do. Had Allah willed, He would Himself have dealt with them. But (He has adopted this way so that) He may test some of you by means of others. And those who are killed in the way of Allah, Allah will never let their deeds go waste. He will guide them, set their condition right, and will admit them to the Paradise with which He has acquainted them.
O you who have believed, if you help Allah, Allah will help you and make your footsteps firm.
As for those who have disbelieved, for them is destruction and Allah has rendered their deeds astray, because they: disapproved of what Allah has sent down; therefore, Allah rendered their deeds fruitless. Have they not traveled in the earth that they could see the end of those who had gone before them? Allah destroyed them utterly and the disbelievers are destined for a similar end. This is because Allah is the Protector and Helper of the believers and the disbelievers have no protector and helper. Allah shall admit those who have believed and done good works into Gardens underneath which rivers flow.
As for the disbelievers, they are only enjoying the temporary life of this world, and eating as the animals eat, and their final abode is Hell
Prophet, how many habitations have there been that were much stronger in power than this habitation of yours that has expelled you. We destroyed them so utterly that there was none to save them.
See? It is not what you think.
Again, you qouted the verse 8 and 9 of Surah 47, by ignoring the context. To know who are the disbelievers that are referred in thses verses, you need to see the whole context. Let me just qoute some verses before and after of 8 and 9:
Surah 47, verses 1 to 13
Those who disbelieved and debarred (others) from Allahâs Way, Allah rendered their works fruitless. As for those who believed, and did good works, and accepted that which has been sent down to Muhammad -and it is the very Truth from their Lord-Allah removed their evils from them and set their condition right. This is because the disbelievers followed falsehood and the believers followed the Truth which has come from their Lord. Thus does Allah make the people aware of their true state.
Therefore, when you meet the disbelievers in the battle-field, first smite their necks; then, when you have crushed them completely, bind the prisoners tight. After that (you have the choice) whether you show them favour or accept ransom, until the war lays down its arms. So shall you do. Had Allah willed, He would Himself have dealt with them. But (He has adopted this way so that) He may test some of you by means of others. And those who are killed in the way of Allah, Allah will never let their deeds go waste. He will guide them, set their condition right, and will admit them to the Paradise with which He has acquainted them.
O you who have believed, if you help Allah, Allah will help you and make your footsteps firm.
As for those who have disbelieved, for them is destruction and Allah has rendered their deeds astray, because they: disapproved of what Allah has sent down; therefore, Allah rendered their deeds fruitless. Have they not traveled in the earth that they could see the end of those who had gone before them? Allah destroyed them utterly and the disbelievers are destined for a similar end. This is because Allah is the Protector and Helper of the believers and the disbelievers have no protector and helper. Allah shall admit those who have believed and done good works into Gardens underneath which rivers flow.
As for the disbelievers, they are only enjoying the temporary life of this world, and eating as the animals eat, and their final abode is Hell
Prophet, how many habitations have there been that were much stronger in power than this habitation of yours that has expelled you. We destroyed them so utterly that there was none to save them.
See? It is not what you think.
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lorrainerich
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Hi Cyber knight,
Let me remind you something worth noting from Matthewsâ Gospel because you seem to have too much hate for Islam/Muslims, which is not good for your health nor it is going to change an iota of any knowledgeable Muslimâs faith.
MATTHEW 12:46-50
The NAB
46 32 **While he was still speaking to the crowds, his mother and his brothers appeared outside, wishing to speak with him. **
** 47 (Someone told him, âYour mother and your brothers are standing outside, asking to speak with you.â) ** 33
48 But he said in reply to the one who told him, "Who is my mother? Who are my brothers?"
49 And stretching out his hand toward his disciples, he said, "Here are my mother and my brothers.
**50 For whoever does the will of my heavenly Father is my brother, and sister, and mother." **
Footnotes in the NAB:
32 [46-50] See Mark 3:31-35. Matthew has omitted Mark 3:20-21 which is taken up in Mark 3:31 (see the note on Matthew 12:22-32), yet the point of the story is the same in both gospels: natural kinship with Jesus counts for nothing; only one who does the will of his heavenly Father belongs to his true family.
33 [47] This verse is omitted in some important textual witnesses, including Codex Sinaiticus (original reading) and Codex Vaticanus.
Did you notice, here, Jesus did not say whoever believe in my future death on the tree accursed ofd God, is my brother and sister and mother. Rather he said whoever does **the Will of his heavenly Father ** (i.e., God, who is the Father of everybody, metaphorically, even the Father of Adolf Hitler and Mussoulini ofcourse).
Now what does the Will of the God means in Arabic?
If you want to describe âdoing the Will of Godâ in Arabic, there is one word for the whole expression: ISLAM. And the person who does the Will of God is called MUSLIM.
And ofcourse Jesus did not come to destroy the Will of God revealed in previous Revelations of God (to Prophet Moses and other Prophets). Why? Because that was the whole purpose of his mission to invite people of his nation to follow the Will of God for salvation, just like any other Prophet of God.
If you donât follow Godâs commandments then it simply means you donât really love Jesus nor deserve Eternal life. It is as simple as that.
Now tell me those Jews and Romans who tried to kill Jesus, after a bogus trial, and Judas the traitor, and Saul who was too busy in persecuting his followers and in âkicking against the pricksâ and later who shook the very foundation of Jesusâ mission by fabricating new things and ânailing the very Law to the crossâ (which was supposed to be followed for Eternal life), deserve heaven or hell?
Let me remind you something worth noting from Matthewsâ Gospel because you seem to have too much hate for Islam/Muslims, which is not good for your health nor it is going to change an iota of any knowledgeable Muslimâs faith.
MATTHEW 12:46-50
The NAB
46 32 **While he was still speaking to the crowds, his mother and his brothers appeared outside, wishing to speak with him. **
** 47 (Someone told him, âYour mother and your brothers are standing outside, asking to speak with you.â) ** 33
48 But he said in reply to the one who told him, "Who is my mother? Who are my brothers?"
49 And stretching out his hand toward his disciples, he said, "Here are my mother and my brothers.
**50 For whoever does the will of my heavenly Father is my brother, and sister, and mother." **
Footnotes in the NAB:
32 [46-50] See Mark 3:31-35. Matthew has omitted Mark 3:20-21 which is taken up in Mark 3:31 (see the note on Matthew 12:22-32), yet the point of the story is the same in both gospels: natural kinship with Jesus counts for nothing; only one who does the will of his heavenly Father belongs to his true family.
33 [47] This verse is omitted in some important textual witnesses, including Codex Sinaiticus (original reading) and Codex Vaticanus.
Did you notice, here, Jesus did not say whoever believe in my future death on the tree accursed ofd God, is my brother and sister and mother. Rather he said whoever does **the Will of his heavenly Father ** (i.e., God, who is the Father of everybody, metaphorically, even the Father of Adolf Hitler and Mussoulini ofcourse).
Now what does the Will of the God means in Arabic?
If you want to describe âdoing the Will of Godâ in Arabic, there is one word for the whole expression: ISLAM. And the person who does the Will of God is called MUSLIM.
And ofcourse Jesus did not come to destroy the Will of God revealed in previous Revelations of God (to Prophet Moses and other Prophets). Why? Because that was the whole purpose of his mission to invite people of his nation to follow the Will of God for salvation, just like any other Prophet of God.
If you donât follow Godâs commandments then it simply means you donât really love Jesus nor deserve Eternal life. It is as simple as that.
Now tell me those Jews and Romans who tried to kill Jesus, after a bogus trial, and Judas the traitor, and Saul who was too busy in persecuting his followers and in âkicking against the pricksâ and later who shook the very foundation of Jesusâ mission by fabricating new things and ânailing the very Law to the crossâ (which was supposed to be followed for Eternal life), deserve heaven or hell?
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George_Waters
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Justice2006,
What is truly amazing is that someone who claims the moral high ground refuses to accept his suspension. You have been suspended twice now, not due to religious persecution as you might wish to claim, but due to your refusal to follow the rules you agreed upon when you became a member of this forum. So often good Muslims have had to defend themselves against the allegations that it is not only just, but also expected for Muslims to lie to non-believers if it promotes Islam. Congratulations, you have made all their work in vain! We all now have a first-hand example of this duplicity. Is that what you wanted? You have not promoted Islam, but demonstrated the vary traits that Muslims are forced to endure due to such actions.
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Booklover
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Did you even bother to read what Cyber Knight wrote? She said I HATE ISLAM AND MOHAMMED, she said nothing about hating Muslims. Canât you see the difference? You can hate the ideology without hating the believers!
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