Needing God

[CRATUS]

I have posted this more than several times. I still cannot find the “answer.” Do we really all need God or do we need God at the same caliber? Again, I think of people who I admire/envy that have it all put together w/o God. I wonder if my relationship with God is based on the fact I am considered “weaker” than most. It is difficult for me to find peace outside of the church, this is a personal experience, not true for all. I can make rash decisions, emotionally sensitive and most of my sins backfire against. I wonder what it is like to be strong w/o God. This is something I have always wanted to right about. Can a person breeze through life without God? God loves us whether we praise Him or not. Whether we take up our crosses or not.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

Some people think they can breeze through life without God, but the only people they are kidding is themselves.

This life is temporal and short, probably 85 years, if we’re lucky. And this life is filled with sickness, economic hardship (even for the wealthy who sometimes spend or invest too much), problems with loved ones, etc.

We need to set our sights on eternal life, and for that, yes, God is absolutely necessary. Why do you think Christ said “It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to attain heaven”? Because the rich man is usually focused on the here and now. But the here and now isn’t our ultimate destiny; eternal life with God is. And for that we need to cultivate a close personal relationship with Christ.

Good luck to you, Cratus, and God bless.

 

[Lynxdk]

Did you mean folks who have it rough, but stay positive? I expect a lot of people who seemingly “breeze through life” as if Without God, simply because they don’t express it outwardly, or just live in Christ Naturally, without needing to self-examine and reflect on the way they treat people, because they just accept what life throws at them, and work through problems with a smile and a shrug, looking around them for others that might need more than they.

People who “breeze through life” the Other way, because they have good jobs and houses, and money, and all kinds of “stuff” that they more or less to keep to themselves, ignoring the problems all around them, are probably breezing through life, Without God.

You will know them by their fruits…

Do you read what Christ has to say about how we’re to live our lives? I think a lot of people don’t. It seems too hard, at first, maybe, or they’re used to just getting their information from the pew once a week, and then struggling through all the other days, without keeping God in mind. I dunno. I don’t always ask people for specifics.

 

[pianistclare]

Did you mean folks who have it rough, but stay positive? I expect a lot of people who seemingly “breeze through life” as if Without God, simply because they don’t express it outwardly, or just live in Christ Naturally, without needing to self-examine and reflect on the way they treat people, because they just accept what life throws at them, and work through problems with a smile and a shrug, looking around them for others that might need more than they.

This.

 

[1Lord1Faith]

Again, I think of people who I admire/envy that have it all put together w/o God.

These people, like it or not, are living in societies that were built on values and morals derived from belief in a higher power(mostly God, our God). They cannot escape the effects of this on their lives if they moved to the moon. Their unbelief in God does not exclude them from God’s provenance.

 

[Trident_H]

I have posted this more than several times. I still cannot find the “answer.” Do we really all need God or do we need God at the same caliber? Again, I think of people who I admire/envy that have it all put together w/o God. I wonder if my relationship with God is based on the fact I am considered “weaker” than most. It is difficult for me to find peace outside of the church, this is a personal experience, not true for all. I can make rash decisions, emotionally sensitive and most of my sins backfire against. I wonder what it is like to be strong w/o God. This is something I have always wanted to right about. Can a person breeze through life without God? God loves us whether we praise Him or not. Whether we take up our crosses or not.

Hey CRATUS.

Sure a person can breeze through life without God. Breeze through life. Just like water down a drain.

But a guy who wants to make a mark and do something meaningful? Well that guy needs God’s help.

Either that or lots and lots of money.

Peace C. Keep digging. You’ll get there soon.

Your pal,

-Trident

 

[Graceful_Lamb]

I believe all humans need God. What kind of relationship each human has with Him is between that person and God.

 

[Rhubarb]

If I do need God, I don’t know how or why. And I mean that from an epistemic position. Not in the same way I know I need food, or water, or oxygen to breathe.

 

[Lynxdk]

I have posted this more than several times. I still cannot find the “answer.” Do we really all need God or do we need God at the same caliber? Again, I think of people who I admire/envy that have it all put together w/o God. I wonder if my relationship with God is based on the fact I am considered “weaker” than most. It is difficult for me to find peace outside of the church, this is a personal experience, not true for all. I can make rash decisions, emotionally sensitive and most of my sins backfire against. I wonder what it is like to be strong w/o God. This is something I have always wanted to right about. Can a person breeze through life without God? God loves us whether we praise Him or not. Whether we take up our crosses or not.

Another way you might look at the subject is… do people need other people? Because God is Everywhere. You don’t really have to go far to find God.

What’s missing from Your life? You mentioned struggles, envious of what other have… that’s pretty normal and natural. I’ve had less than I have now, though, using my own self as an example, but I have enough, because I have God… or God has me, rather =)

Going to church is a good place, but are there things you can volunteer for? Move out of your comfort zone?

You’re not gonna find “The Answer” from any one person, place, or thing. Most of the times I find answers, I find them inside, with prayer, for example. I’m not talking about the kind of prayer that’s learned by rote, or praying for stuff and things I don’t necessarily need, but an Open sort of prayer, with the Feelings that I have.

Feelings can mess people up sometimes, so letting go of the negative, and trying to appreciate the Positives… yes I know. It sounds so easy, but it’s not. It takes Practice to move ones mind away from what one doesn’t feel they have. It’s hard to think about things that hurt, and hard to let go, at the same time.

Pray for people that have less than you. That’s a good place, I find =)

There’s people homeless and cold and on the streets, with mental illnesses that keep them from getting the help they need. Pray that God might find them, or send someone to help them up to a better place. Picture the children that are going to bed to night, without having had enough to eat. The Prayers, themselves, might not do a thing to feed them, but it helps with the refocusing your attention away from You, and onto what God might want to show you, instead.

God’s right there, and can hear you, even in your thoughts. We can’t get so far that God can’t find us, in any case <3

 

[mikekle]

Some people think they can breeze through life without God, but the only people they are kidding is themselves.

This life is temporal and short, probably 85 years, if we’re lucky. And this life is filled with sickness, economic hardship (even for the wealthy who sometimes spend or invest too much), problems with loved ones, etc.

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Personally I agree with you about needing God, I know I do, but I also know more than a handful of people, some in their late 70s, who have never been to mass, never really had faith or a relationship with God, some of these people I have known 20+ years, and they seem to have it pretty good, some of them have had very easy, comfortable lives in fact.

This makes me wonder sometimes, but I know I need God, maybe different people have different needs when it comes to God?

 

[CRATUS]

Personally I agree with you about needing God, I know I do, but I also know more than a handful of people, some in their late 70s, who have never been to mass, never really had faith or a relationship with God, some of these people I have known 20+ years, and they seem to have it pretty good, some of them have had very easy, comfortable lives in fact.

This makes me wonder sometimes, but I know I need God, maybe different people have different needs when it comes to God?

That is what I think as well. Maybe some need to be closer to God, others are not so close. I do not know.

 

[Solmyr]

This life is temporal and short, probably 85 years, if we’re lucky. And this life is filled with sickness, economic hardship (even for the wealthy who sometimes spend or invest too much), problems with loved ones, etc.

All that hardness, sickness and problems are supposed to be the expressions of God’s “love” for us. With such “love”, who needs “hate”??? As the old phrase goes: “the beatings will continue until the morale improves”… the more misery, pain, suffering and mayhem is imposed on us, the more likely we “might” turn to God… so does the end justify the means?

We need to set our sights on eternal life, and for that, yes, God is absolutely necessary.

If only there would be an iota of evidence for that “eternal life”… but there is none. It all looks like wishful thinking.

 

[CRATUS]

Did you mean folks who have it rough, but stay positive? I expect a lot of people who seemingly “breeze through life” as if Without God, simply because they don’t express it outwardly, or just live in Christ Naturally, without needing to self-examine and reflect on the way they treat people, because they just accept what life throws at them, and work through problems with a smile and a shrug, looking around them for others that might need more than they.

People who “breeze through life” the Other way, because they have good jobs and houses, and money, and all kinds of “stuff” that they more or less to keep to themselves, ignoring the problems all around them, are probably breezing through life, Without God.

You will know them by their fruits…

Do you read what Christ has to say about how we’re to live our lives? I think a lot of people don’t. It seems too hard, at first, maybe, or they’re used to just getting their information from the pew once a week, and then struggling through all the other days, without keeping God in mind. I dunno. I don’t always ask people for specifics.

I forget God is not limited to Christians. Christ is here for all.

 

[ffg]

You can’t see another person’s heart and soul, or most of their life, so to compare yourself to others is a game where all information is not a known.

Careful with the ‘God loves us all, so who cares what we do’, if that was what was revealed, it would have been taught and practiced much earlier than the first use of osas.

If what has been revealed through Jesus is true, then God does love us all, AND He cares what we do.

There is a huge difference between rejecting God and not knowing about God.

We don’t know the extent of God’s mercy except that it is over abundant.

But we do know regardless of a believer or non, rejecting God has the same result.

Don’t forget we are dealing with relationship here.

‘God is’ is quite the unbalanced equation. It needs much more that has to do with relationship building.

Take care,

Mike

 

[mikekle]

You can’t see another person’s heart and soul, or most of their life, so to compare yourself to others is a game where all information is not a known.

Careful with the ‘God loves us all, so who cares what we do’, if that was what was revealed, it would have been taught and practiced much earlier than the first use of osas.

Not necessarily, for the world to function and progress, along with maintaining some kind of order and stability, the belief that certain things are right and wrong, plus the belief there will be consequences for all our actions here on earth would be extremely important for a growing civilization.

If people suddenly found out there was no consequences to their actions, I do not think many people would be concerned with obeying laws or respecting others…it would be total chaos in other words.

Having a majority of people believe its truly wrong to kill, rape and pillage, etc ‘benefits’ secular society too.

 

[Adora]

Do we really all need God or do we need God at the same caliber? Again, I think of people who I admire/envy that have it all put together w/o God.

Sometimes we can need something and not be aware of it. We may go through life thinking that we did everything on our own, but if you think about it humans are interdependent. For example, one may work hard for a promotion, but it can’t happen unless someone ultimately recognizes those efforts, deems them worthy and officially grants the promotion. For example, one may start his or her own business, but it won’t really take off unless people are willing to seek his or her products or services. We are interdependent. As a Catholic I believe that God puts people in each other’s paths to make things happen. We’re not always aware that we need Him, but He’s there.

I wonder if my relationship with God is based on the fact I am considered “weaker” than most. It is difficult for me to find peace outside of the church, this is a personal experience, not true for all.

It’s not necessarily that you’re considered “weaker.” It’s a personal journey you have to take that only you will (hopefully) one day learn why.

I can make rash decisions, emotionally sensitive and most of my sins backfire against.

You won’t notice the backfire unless you are consciously aware of your sins and acknowledge them. It’s good that you are aware of your actions because then you can work on becoming a better person everyday.

I wonder what it is like to be strong w/o God. This is something I have always wanted to right about. Can a person breeze through life without God?

They may think they’re breezing through, but maybe God has been there all along.

God loves us whether we praise Him or not. Whether we take up our crosses or not.

Yes, He will love you regardless, but what do you want to do about it? Do you want to just receive and take God’s love or do you want give as well? Is it fair to just take and not give back in return?

 

[ffg]

Not necessarily, for the world to function and progress, along with maintaining some kind of order and stability, the belief that certain things are right and wrong, plus the belief there will be consequences for all our actions here on earth would be extremely important for a growing civilization.

If people suddenly found out there was no consequences to their actions, I do not think many people would be concerned with obeying laws or respecting others…it would be total chaos in other words.

Having a majority of people believe its truly wrong to kill, rape and pillage, etc ‘benefits’ secular society too.

Thanks for the reply.

I’m guessing that ‘not seeing a person’s heart and soul, or most of their life’ is not the ‘not necessarily’ focus.

So I’m guessing you are saying **if ** the statement ‘God loves us all, so who cares what we do’ was revealed by God, it would not have been taught and practiced because society would not allow it?

(cutting my original post off here is potentially losing context with the whole, but I don’t mind walking down the introduced angle)…

I’m not sure how one can look at the world at any point, and NOT see that ‘do what I want’ has often been the practice of most folks.

It would be the reason God introduced the Golden Rule, the Beatitudes, and other similar teachings.

We don’t have to look further than our current time in this world to see respect for authority doesn’t exist and there is a lot of chaos.

I would love to see a statistic of # of officers killed in the last 4-8 years vs the previous 20 (or 200) in the US.

Interesting how chaos coincides with the move of ‘society’ to throw God out the window. A constant repetition through time.

I do not share the opinion that a God-less society has even the remote possibility of being anything but chaotic.

This is a good example that where there is meaning, there is need for an authority.

Without God, a society is bound to have x number of ‘correct’ views with regard to how society should govern…Whichever one is picked to be ‘correct’ for the society will constantly be fought (chaos) by those who don’t share that opinion.

Within itself, there is nothing a society can point to as authoritative other than an agreed upon method from which the society chooses to govern.

Methods can change very easily, so the foundation seems fairly shaky.

Take care,

Mike