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hello. my name is heath. i was raised in a nondenominational church, and i was taught all my life that catholicism was a cult. i really truly do not think that today lol. i have grown a huuge respenct for the Catholic Church. i have even adopted some of its teachins and practices. but i was thinkin about how Catholics have all this tradition and i dunno like ways to do things, and how nondenominationalists just go to church and do whatever and praise God. and also why most nondenom’s dont have deacons, or biships or even priests. soo is it wrong that these churches are like this?
by the way i am in a debate on whether i should stay at this charismatic episcopal church i started attending, or start playin the bass guitar for a pentecostal church. i really dont know what to do, becuase im afraid if i stay at the CEC church, all the students here at Christ for the Nations will condemn me to hell purty much lol. and i dont wanna go to the pentecostal church just to make them happy. do you see what i mean? well sorry for the really long post!!! 🙂 thanx!
 
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metal4jesus:
by the way i am in a debate on whether i should stay at this charismatic episcopal church i started attending, or start playin the bass guitar for a pentecostal church.
I will suggest another option. Talk to your local priest and get enrolled in RCIA classes for entrance into the Catholic Church! If you want to play bass, you can form a band on the side. 👍

Peace,
Mickey
 
Find out what Pentacostals believe before doing something drastic. Learn about the connection between speaking in tougues and salvation.

There is nothing wrong with exploring other Christian religions. Go for it! You aren’t walking away from Christ, right?

As long as you know Jesus and you keep in your heart all the things that He said, you can discern the difference between Truth and lies in any church or denomination.
 
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neweyes:
you can discern the difference between Truth and lies in any church or denomination.
We must ponder this statement.

One visible Church was established by Jesus. This Church contains all truth and is called “the pillar and foundation of truth”. Why put yourself in a situation where you must discern “what is truth” and “what is a lie” in any particular “denomination” when you have the fullness of truth in the Catholic Church–promised to us by Christ Himself–and protected by the Holy spirirt.

The gates of hades shall not prevail! 👍
 
Metal,

I have a good friend of mine, who went to Christfor teh Nations their in Dallas. He is a youth pastor at his NonDenom Church. Is this school antiCatholic??

I know several yrs ago, he was really trying hard to convert me but to know avail. I think he understands a little more about the Church now then he used to. When I knew him in High School we did not even talk about it. When he came back from their, that’s when it all started. Just Curious on that schools thoughts on Catholicism

By the way, congratulations on your exploration of the Catholic Church and realizing that it is not a cult like some of your peers like to think it is.
 
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Mickey:
I will suggest another option. Talk to your local priest and get enrolled in RCIA classes for entrance into the Catholic Church! If you want to play bass, you can form a band on the side. 👍

Peace,
Mickey
I would like to echo Mickey’s advice. It sounds like the Holy Spirit may be trying to lead you in an entirely different direction than the one you think. Getting enrolled in RCIA does not mean that you must become Catholic at the end of it. It’s a good way for you to begin to explore the Catholic faith and find out more. 🙂

Lisa
 
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Mickey:
I will suggest another option. Talk to your local priest and get enrolled in RCIA classes for entrance into the Catholic Church! If you want to play bass, you can form a band on the side. 👍

Peace,
Mickey
Peace.

I also want to second Mickey’s suggestion. He is a very wise person, well-grounded and informed in his faith, and I know that when he speaks I listen. I encourage you to seriously consider what he has suggested.

Peace.

Jim
 
hello, thank yall for all the posts on this. ill try to respond to em all. but christ for the nations institute is pretty much anti-catholic i guess you could say. im not too sure on how the faculty feel about catholicism except for they sorta speak against things that catholics do, but they never come out and say catholicism is bad and stuff like that. but i told my roomate that i was attending an episcopal church and he was like “ooh no! thats not good” and i asked why he thinks that and he was like “well they do all those rituals that those catholics do”. so i know he’s like waaaay anti catholic. and also the whole thing about speakin in tongues here at the school sorta makes me think differently about this school. becuase the apostle paul in second corinthains said that let no more than two or three give a message in tongues, and let on interpret. but if there aint no interpreter, then he shall be silent to himself and to God. and christ for the nations doesnt do that. out of all the messages in tongues ive heard here, none of them have been interpreted. and everybody screams in tongues and its sorta scary. so im a lil uneasy feelin about that doctrine here. and im pretty sure that the pentecostal church i was thinkin about is the same way.
 
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metal4jesus:
hello, thank yall for all the posts on this. ill try to respond to em all. but christ for the nations institute is pretty much anti-catholic i guess you could say. im not too sure on how the faculty feel about catholicism except for they sorta speak against things that catholics do, but they never come out and say catholicism is bad and stuff like that. but i told my roomate that i was attending an episcopal church and he was like “ooh no! thats not good” and i asked why he thinks that and he was like “well they do all those rituals that those catholics do”. so i know he’s like waaaay anti catholic. and also the whole thing about speakin in tongues here at the school sorta makes me think differently about this school. becuase the apostle paul in second corinthains said that let no more than two or three give a message in tongues, and let on interpret. but if there aint no interpreter, then he shall be silent to himself and to God. and christ for the nations doesnt do that. out of all the messages in tongues ive heard here, none of them have been interpreted. and everybody screams in tongues and its sorta scary. so im a lil uneasy feelin about that doctrine here. and im pretty sure that the pentecostal church i was thinkin about is the same way.
Yes it is scary stuff. My neighbor is a Pentecostal. He holds services in his backyard with a Megaphone. I approached him one day and asked him what were the things they were saying in those tongues. He told me “You need the holy spirit in them to decipher the messages.” I told him to interpret what one lady said and he told me “I wouldn’t understand” but then he offered me to attend service and be baptized.
 
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metal4jesus:
. i really dont know what to do, becuase im afraid if i stay at the CEC church, all the students here at Christ for the Nations will condemn me to hell purty much lol. and i dont wanna go to the pentecostal church just to make them happy. do you see what i mean? well sorry for the really long post!!! 🙂 thanx!
you don’t make this choice on the basis of what your friends and relations might think. you make this choice based on what Church teaches the Truth, which Church possesses the fullness of Truth, which Church was founded be Jesus Christ, has lasted for over 2000 years and is protected by the Holy Spirit from teaching error, as Christ promised. Go back to the Bible. What did Jesus say about His Church? Where is He to be found? Which Church follows His commands fully, especially His commands at the Last Supper to perpetuate His sacrifice in the Eucharist and to maintain unity?
 
God bless you as you seek God’s will. I’m a convert to the Catholic faith from evangelical Protestantism. Many of my friends were anti-Catholic (some ended their friendship with me after I became Catholic), not in a hateful way, but in their misunderstanding of what the Catholic Church teaches.

Proverbs 3:5-6 became my life verse during my search for Christ’s Church. My search was joyful and painful – joyful at finally finding truth, painful at discovering that much of what I believed was false and encountering opposition from friends and family. Like Paul said in Philippians 3:7-8, what I “lost” in becoming Catholic has been surpassed by what I have received from the Lord in becoming Catholic.
 
thanx again yall. and that is really wierd about what your neighbor did to you. ive always wondered “does the holy spirit actually work if someone just yells out jibberish” becuase i know that paul said “im glad i speak in tongues more than all of you” but i think the gift of tongues should be a humble one, and not one that you put out on display for all to hear and see. i believe that i have the gift of tongues, but you will never hear me at church screamin out loud. it is also very distractin. my roomate here at school does that. we will be worshippin and stuff, then all the sudden BOOM! he starts yelling. and it distracts me. and i know that if i confront him about it he will just defend it and say that “its the Holy Ghost speakin, not me!” which i doubt that lol.

there is another thing i would like to discuss about the nondenom’s. about how they say God hates religion. is that true? i have a hard time tryin to cope with that. becuase Christianity is the true religion, and all these other religions were made by man. so if God hates religion, than does He hate Christianity? lol. do yall get what i mean?
 
Hey Yall there is absolutely NO SUCH THING as “non-denominational”, these people and churches may call themselves “non-denominational” but they aren’t.

They are Protestant, Protestants belong to denominations.

They beleive in “sola-scriptura”. sola scriptura is a Protestant doctrine.

The beleive in “gettin saved” with Baptism just being symbolic and done after “gettin saved”, that’s Protestant Evangelical teaching.

Most of them insist on baptism by drowning/dunking only, that’s Baptist teaching and Baptist is a denomination.

Most of them believe in speaking toungues, waving thier hands in the air, baieng loud during worship, that’s pentecostal/charismatic and pentecostal/charismatic is a denomination.

Most of them beleive in adult/believer’s baptism only, that’s Baptist and Baptist is a denomination

They all have prayers made up as they go along and hate Liturgical prayers, that’s Fundie and fundies are denominations.

I could go on for days, but trust me none of those churches are really “non-denomionational” they just call themselves that becuase they believe they are the ONLY Christians, most of them are Baptist or Pentecostal/Charismatic.
 
Hi there metal4jesus

If you go to this website triumphoftruth.com/Home/tabid/36/Default.aspx it has testimonies of people who have become Catholic, many of them were ministers of other denominations… Number 26 is Michael Cumbie, a former Charismatic Episcopal Minister and number 49 Fr. Steven D. Anderson was as well.
 
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metal4jesus:
hello, thank yall for all the posts on this. ill try to respond to em all. but christ for the nations institute is pretty much anti-catholic i guess you could say. im not too sure on how the faculty feel about catholicism except for they sorta speak against things that catholics do, but they never come out and say catholicism is bad and stuff like that. but i told my roomate that i was attending an episcopal church and he was like “ooh no! thats not good” and i asked why he thinks that and he was like “well they do all those rituals that those catholics do”. so i know he’s like waaaay anti catholic. and also the whole thing about speakin in tongues here at the school sorta makes me think differently about this school. becuase the apostle paul in second corinthains said that let no more than two or three give a message in tongues, and let on interpret. but if there aint no interpreter, then he shall be silent to himself and to God. and christ for the nations doesnt do that. out of all the messages in tongues ive heard here, none of them have been interpreted. and everybody screams in tongues and its sorta scary. so im a lil uneasy feelin about that doctrine here. and im pretty sure that the pentecostal church i was thinkin about is the same way.
I would say since the evidence that Christ founded the Catholic Church is right there in the pages of Scripture, anything that attacks the Catholic Church is directly attacking Christ, as we are His body. I would agree like most here that attending RCIA is a great way to learn what the Catholic Church truly teaches, and I promise you, once you find out, you will have no need dto look further. There is a reason we say we are the FULLNESS of the faith. If you have the mindset to explore other churches there should be nothing holding you back from at least learning the Catholic faith - and like it has already been said, going through RCIA does not mean you will need to join the Church, and it is highly unlikely that you will be persuaded, or forced into joining if you do not feel it is right. Catholics are good about putting the Truth out there, and letting the Holy Spirit do the rest in you. By the way, I am a convert from non-denominationalism myself, and when I found the Catholic Church, I found everything I was missing in my faith. I saw the non-denominational churches I attended as more like motivational gatherings, but little more than that. I mean I could read Scripture on my own at home, what was really the purpose of attending that church for anything other than entertainment value…?. I did not find worship there so much, and there was not the same type of reverence for our God as the Catholic Church holds so high. In the Catholicism, Mass is a celebration of Christ and His sacrifice, but they still have plenty of fellowship and religious-‘entertainment’ outside of the Mass during the week and at other times to bring Catholics together in the same way as non-denominational churches, but the key point is, they seperate the two. Hopefully I explained that in terms that make sense…

The way I see it, if you TRULY search for Chrsit, you will be led to the Catholic Church anyway, its a matter of deep you dig for the Truth though, because on the surface, its easy to say Christian is Christian, but there is plenty more there to really explore and understand.

Peace,

Chris
 
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boppysbud:
Most of them believe in speaking toungues, waving thier hands in the air, baieng loud during worship, that’s pentecostal/charismatic and pentecostal/charismatic is a denomination.
When you say they believe in speaking tongues what do you mean? I’m not sure I completely understand what that is… I have read about it in Scripture but don’t make alot of sense of it - I thought it was a gift from the Holy Spirit that happens in particular situations, or when there is a need, but why would they be speaking in tongues during church? I never really hear about it in the Catholic Church though…

Chris
 
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theguidedheart:
When you say they believe in speaking tongues what do you mean? I’m not sure I completely understand what that is… I have read about it in Scripture but don’t make alot of sense of it - I thought it was a gift from the Holy Spirit that happens in particular situations, or when there is a need, but why would they be speaking in tongues during church? I never really hear about it in the Catholic Church though…

Chris
Chris,
Speaking in tongues generally refers to a spontaneous message given to us from the Holy Spirit through man by means of prayer or message in another language. In Corinthians Paul warns that they are not to pray this way unless there is someone there to interpret as the message is lost. Also, Paul points out that speaking in tongues is for the non-believer since the believer needs no proof of God or the Holy Spirit. Catholics do have Charasmatic services, but every one I have ever attended always has a person go up and give their message and then another goes up and interprets. My dad used to go because he spoke many languages and figured he could interpret if it was a language he knew.
 
Over thirty years ago Charismatic prayer meetings and Masses were very popular, there was a Benedictine Monastery located in Pecos N.M. that gave LIife in the Spirit seminars, they lasted a week and at the end every one would stand around you “praying” in gibberish, most of us also got involved it was like a group thing, and I too talked in gibberish. I didnt understand word I was saying and no one offered any interpretation either. All of this ended years ago, it did not last even ten years, although I understand there are still individuals who beleive in that sort of thing it does not go on in the parish anymore.

There are also Pentecostal denominations and especially the unitarian United Pentecostal Church, they beleive that unless you speak in toungues and are baptised in the name of Jesus instead of Father, Son, and Spirit you are not “saved” and will go to hell when you die.

These people really mean it when they pray “In Jesus’ name, Ayyymen”
 
thank yall again for all this, im learning alot. i guess the main thing i have retained about what i am learnin about catholicism, is that many people have a false understanding of what catholics teach. ill have to be honest, i used to think catholicism was a cult. and that it was wrong wrong wrong, and that charismaniacs were right right right. but now that i started wondering “why was the catholic church the first church, and why can they go back waaaaayyy into the past and pull out stuff that we ‘nondenoms’ cant?”. now when i read the bible, i have the mindset of a catholic purty much. i try to picture everything i read as if i am lookin at catholic art, and it has been very interestin to me. there are still a few things about catholicism that i question tho, but it could very well be that i have a false understandin of what the Church actually teaches. but i dunno lol! God bless!
 
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