Nuns treated poorly

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I didn’t see anything particularly egregious in that article.
 
Oh please.

First, bishops and cardinals have no authority over women religious now or in the past. The head of their order does. If a religious sister (not a nun because nuns are cloistered) cleans, cooks, or otherwise does domestic work for a bishop or cardinal, it’s because her order sent her there.

Second, (nearly all) religious sisters take vows of poverty, therefore they don’t have personal possessions and personal money. Whatever they make goes to the order to which they belong.

Third, the order has the freedom to negotiate the wages paid for the sisters’ services. If the order thinks it is too little they are free to leave— just like the religious sisters who taught school in my husband’s parish did when he was a child. The sisters demanded X in payment, the parish couldn’t pay that much, and the sisters packed up and left.

It’s ridiculous to call religious sisters indentures servants in the church.
 
The exposé on the underpaid labour and unappreciated intellect of religious sisters confirmed that the magazine is increasingly becoming an imprint of the #MeToo movement within the Catholic Church.
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  1. Religious sisters are appreciated for their intellect and their many other qualities. You only have to personally know the nuns to know they are appreciated and feel appreciated.
  2. The sisters are not underpaid. They have a salary and social security like everyone else and is established by concordat. This varies by country, but sisters are paid just like priests are.
– Associated Press
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  1. The article has no signature except “Associate Press” being echoed by the “Irish Times”. Everybody knows (or should know) that “Associated Press” is not catholic (at times even anti-catholic) in their editorial line, and their editorial line is usually heavily biased. Now we also know that the “Irish Times” echoes that bias…
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This seems wrong to me:
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BAD READ OF FAKE NEWS FOLKS!!!
 
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Just speak to older nuns. They’ll tell you the real scoop.
 
You mean like the “older” sisters who told our parish pay this much for our teaching services or we are leaving? After our parish built them a new convent? That was in 1965
 
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Wouldn’t any money the sisters make go to the community as they have taken a vow of poverty?
 
I’d imagine like anything else they need a certain level of income to maintain sustainability. If the school wasn’t paying enough what choice do they have
 
I have read before that the irish times has a anti-catholic bent.
 
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Having personally witnessed this kind of exploitation, I wrote my own article on the subject…
Are Women Religious Being Exploited?
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Well, the other day I met a consecrated religious sister from an order in my home town. Their charisma is cleaning and helping those who can’t tend for themselves. Their origins predate social security and social services.

So many persons really couldn’t tend for themselves, couldn’t wash their clothes, make their food, or clean their house. And these sisters visited those persons and exercised the most basic works of bodily mercy - that is their charisma.

And of course, the sisters were not paid for their works of mercy and for a better part lived of agricultural alms given by the community even running a cantine for the poor.

After a lengthy conversation with this elderly sister, who dressed modestly and took great joy in her work, order and vocation - my entire appreciation of vocations and mercy was changed by her example and testimony. I do not believe these sisters are not appreciated.
 
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I’m sorry @SerraSemper but some things in your article are not right.

I do however appreciate your efforts and intentions, if they are indeed sincere. [This is an anonymous forum and we don’t know each other, in “bonna fides” I will believe your good intentions, and so I do very much appreciate your effort.]
 
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Seems to be the same line of reasoning that says motherhood is unpaid domestic servitude. Patriarchy or something.
 
Not sure why this is relevant; the story appeared in the official Vatican newspaper.
 
I’ve seen this. There was a bit of a kerfluffle in the parish where I grew up. The priests living in the rectory expected the nuns living in the convent to cook for them and keep the rectory clean (at the same time that the nuns were teaching in the elementary school of the parish).

One of the nuns said, at a parish meeting, that the nuns weren’t going to do it any more, because they were too busy running the school, but that she would be happy to spend some time teaching the priests how to cook and clean.

It was hilarious. I loved it. The pastor was livid. I thought he was going to have a stroke. One or two of the other priests laughed, and got the point. Many parishioners were angry, making it clear what they thought a nun’s (or a woman’s) place was.

The nuns won.
 
Most priests live alone and tend to themselves.

The majority of priests have a single room or tiny house, wash their own clothes, do their own cooking, and clean their own quarters.

The majority of priests leave their families, having no wife, they have absolutely no support with daily chores. [Except the support their parishioners voluntarily offer them.]

Now that is the reality, worldwide, for the majority of priests.
 
adgloriam said:
Most priests live alone and tend to themselves.

The majority of priests have a single room or tiny house, wash their own clothes, do their own cooking, and clean their own quarters.

The majority of priests leave their families, having no wife, they have absolutely no support with daily chores. [Except the support their parishioners voluntarily offer them.]

Now that is the reality, worldwide, for the majority of priests.
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Oh, I know, but this was quite a few years ago, at a busy parish that had five priests in residence, and a convent for the nuns who ran and taught at the parish school. And the pastor was an older man of another generation, who had spent most of his career as a priest and pastor in the pre-Vatican II days when a priest and pastor had a lot more authority, and was not used to women who did not defer to male or priestly authority.
 
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The majority of priests have a single room or tiny house, wash their own clothes, do their own cooking, and clean their own quarters.
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I have no experience with “the rest of the world” but I question whether that is the case for most parish priests in the US. And if it is, is certainly wasn’t not that long ago.
 
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