"one, holy, catholic, and apostolic church"

[UbiCaritas15]

I’m encouraged by the depth, length and seeming sincerity of the diologue.

 

[andrewstx]

There were deaconesses in the LCA when I was growing up, before the women’s ordination movement. So, I’m not sure why EC thinks it relevant that Orthodoxy has them.

Jon

HaD them, they have not existed for over a millennium now.

 

[GKC]

A Lutheran deaconess is consecrated just like a nun. A deacon is ordained but I am not sure if liturgical deacons merely serve a particular parish or if they are recognized more broadly.

In Lutheran churches with threefold ministries, a deacon is the first step toward the priesthood; what we call vicars.

In Anglicanism (usual caveats), three-fold ministry. Deacon is first step toward priesthood. Vicar is a technical term for a priest in a certain relationship to the parish, at least historically. It varies. Variable vicars.

Consecration is what happens to a bishop.

Females are not part of this post.

GKC

 

[EvangelCatholic]

Off topic but pertinent:

The Church of Greece has had deaconesses intermittently over the recent centuries, and appears to have usually had deaconesses in its female monasteries from time immemorial. In 2004 the Holy Synod of the Church of Greece officially restored the female diaconate.[1]

The Russian Orthodox Church still has deaconesses.[2]

In female monasteries the role of a deaconess seems necessary for the good order and function of the monastery church. It is more seemly than having male deacons involved there.

In 2006, the larger Bulgarian and Romanian monasteries have a deaconess who is usually second in charge. In Romania they wear distinctive garb while performing diaconal duties.

The question of having deaconesses perform the liturgical role of deacons in parish churches or cathedrals could be seen as a different matter since the practice of having deaconesses assist in those places seems to have generally died out in the Byzantine Church about 600 years ago with the inception of the Ottoman yoke.
orthodoxwiki.org/Deaconess

 

[EvangelCatholic]

In Anglicanism (usual caveats), three-fold ministry. Deacon is first step toward priesthood. Vicar is a technical term for a priest in a certain relationship to the parish, at least historically. It varies. Variable vicars.

Consecration is what happens to a bishop.

Females are not part of this post.

GKC

Seminaries license candidates to preach in the 3rd year; they are assigned to a parish, serve as deacon at Mass and full time internship. We call them vicars.

I think deaconess communities have suffered since female ordination. Another Mothehouse closed in Pennsylvania. Of-course, religious life, in general, is very sparse, especially among Lutherans.

 

[GKC]

Seminaries license candidates to preach in the 3rd year; they are assigned to a parish, serve as deacon at Mass and full time internship. We call them vicars.

I think deaconess communities have suffered since female ordination. Another Mothehouse closed in Pennsylvania. Of-course, religious life, in general, is very sparse, especially among Lutherans.

More or less true everywhere, I think.

GKC

 

[EvangelCatholic]

That is another signature of ‘catholic’ denominations; religious communities. There was a strong resistance to monks/ nuns. Luther, the monk, married Katherina, a nun. Sort of a sexual liberation

Monasteries/ convents were closed or used for other purposes throughout Europe. Only a few orders survived among Lutherans. Anglicans seemed to take a gentler approach; I know of several religious communities in the Episcopal Church.

 

[GKC]

That is another signature of ‘catholic’ denominations; religious communities. There was a strong resistance to monks/ nuns. Luther, the monk, married Katherina, a nun. Sort of a sexual liberation

Monasteries/ convents were closed or used for other purposes throughout Europe. Only a few orders survived among Lutherans. Anglicans seemed to take a gentler approach; I know of several religious communities in the Episcopal Church.

Decreasing.

GKC

 

[steido01]

Decreasing.

Accurate to add the modifier, sharply?

 

[GKC]

Accurate to add the modifier, sharply?

I have no direct, accurate knowledge, but I would not doubt it.

GKC

 

[JonNC]

Seminaries license candidates to preach in the 3rd year; they are assigned to a parish, serve as deacon at Mass and full time internship. We call them vicars.

I think deaconess communities have suffered since female ordination. Another Mothehouse closed in Pennsylvania. Of-course, religious life, in general, is very sparse, especially among Lutherans.

Sad, this, and it should have happened.

Jon

 

[EvangelCatholic]

Pope Benedict XVI visited the monastery where Martin Luther lived, prayed with Lutherans before presiding at an outdoor Mass. The monastery was destroyed in WW II but rebuilt and is now the home of the Lutheran Sisters of the Community of the Casteller Ring
mymaze.de/swf/schwan_english.swf

 

[EvangelCatholic]

More on the Sisters of the Casteller Ring [Benedictine]
schwanberg.de/

The remarkable thing about this particular Eucharistic table and the sanctuary floor atop which it sits is that both were made from granite stone from the city of Flossenbürg. Flossenbürg was the site of a Nazi concentration camp where thousands were executed, one of whom was the Christian martyr, Dietrich Bonhoeffer, who was hanged there on April 9, 1945. This Table faces the active flowing water from the baptismal font at the narthex of the sanctuary, as water flows outside into a wading pool.
pcusa.org/news/2013/9/1/penultimacy/