One Mind and many beings

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I have no idea how to call this system of thinking but the idea is very simple. Lets define Mind (what you call soul) as a essence of a being with ability to experience, decide and act. Mind however needs form to experience, decide and act. A being is defined as a body with a specific form which can inform mind about its environment, other form, and this allows Mind to act when decision is made. Mind is however spiritual which means that it is not located anywhere. Now consider the following scenario: Consider that there exist many bodies. This allows Mind to experience what is provided with all bodies. Decisions and acts follow next. How we can be sure that we are not sharing the same mind?

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The fact you have to ask that proves that we are not.

If we were the same mind, we would share our thoughts.

Also, since the primary task of a **human **mind is to live life through a body; if we were the same mind, I could use your eyes, nose and limbs, and you mine. Obviously that is not the case.

Whether or not our minds in fact reside in our heads (or bodies), clearly embodiment proves each mind’s uniqueness. Only my mind sees life through the eyes of my body, or feels life from “inside” my skin. Same being true for your mind, eyes and skin.

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Bahman said:
I have no idea how to call this system of thinking but the idea is very simple. Lets define Mind (what you call soul) as a essence of a being with ability to experience, decide and act. Mind however needs form to experience, decide and act. A being is defined as a body with a specific form which can inform mind about its environment, other form, and this allows Mind to act when decision is made. Mind is however spiritual which means that it is not located anywhere. Now consider the following scenario: Consider that there exist many bodies. This allows Mind to experience what is provided with all bodies. Decisions and acts follow next. How we can be sure that we are not sharing the same mind?

Your thought?
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This sounds kind of like a form of spiritual monism. However, our minds are individual because we have our own individual thoughts and experiences that nobody but us could experience the same way but ourselves, of course. “i think, therefore I am.” - Rene Descartes (Principles of Philosophy)
 
GEddie said:
The fact you have to ask that proves that we are not.

If we were the same mind, we would share our thoughts.

Also, since the primary task of a **human **mind is to live life through a body; if we were the same mind, I could use your eyes, nose and limbs, and you mine. Obviously that is not the case.

Whether or not our minds in fact reside in our heads (or bodies), clearly embodiment proves each mind’s uniqueness. Only my mind sees life through the eyes of my body, or feels life from “inside” my skin. Same being true for your mind, eyes and skin.

ICXC NIKA
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I would also add, that even when 2 people go through the same experience at the same time it will affect them in different ways because of other factors in their personalities, personal histories, etc.
 
I would consider that to be one being since one mind.

We are all connected in many ways. But, we all have separate minds. The burden of proof is on you to show any different. If I have my own thoughts and you have your own thoughts and there is a separation between our thoughts then we do not have the same thoughts. Nor the same mind. Unless you want to define mind as something else.
 
thephilosopher6 said:
This sounds kind of like a form of spiritual monism. However, our minds are individual because we have our own individual thoughts and experiences that nobody but us could experience the same way but ourselves, of course. “i think, therefore I am.” - Rene Descartes (Principles of Philosophy)
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Actually, the OP sounds a lot like brahmin Hinduism. Hinduism, btw, is more pantheistic (all spirits, including all the “gods” share the same divine essence, just in different expressions of that spirit) than pure polytheistic.
 
powerofk said:
Actually, the OP sounds a lot like brahmin Hinduism. Hinduism, btw, is more pantheistic (all spirits, including all the “gods” share the same divine essence, just in different expressions of that spirit) than pure polytheistic.
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Pantheism can and often leads to Monism. Spinoza…
 
I can see the possibility but how is it that we each have separate and private thoughts?

And yet we talk about the Mind of Christ.

Could it be that is our fall? from our unity in the Mind of Christ into this selfish darkness with its fears and aberrations?
 
Michael_Mayo said:
I can see the possibility but how is it that we each have separate and private thoughts?

And yet we talk about the Mind of Christ.

Could it be that is our fall? from our unity in the Mind of Christ into this selfish darkness with its fears and aberrations?
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The mind of Christ is infinite; an infinite mind can reach into other minds. A finite mind, conversely, cannot reach into any other mind.

ICXC NIKA
 
GEddie said:
The fact you have to ask that proves that we are not.

If we were the same mind, we would share our thoughts.

Also, since the primary task of a **human **mind is to live life through a body; if we were the same mind, I could use your eyes, nose and limbs, and you mine. Obviously that is not the case.

Whether or not our minds in fact reside in our heads (or bodies), clearly embodiment proves each mind’s uniqueness. Only my mind sees life through the eyes of my body, or feels life from “inside” my skin. Same being true for your mind, eyes and skin.

ICXC NIKA
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That is not correct. Mind is spiritual hence it cannot be located. Our experiences are however local and personal. Have you ever asked yourself how such a thing is possible? Experiences don’t happen inside the mind since mind doesn’t have any inside. Experience simply happen in the place you are, in another word is local. Thought is the result of processing information which happen inside your brain. Mind allows the experience of thought too. The only difference between sensation and thought is that one is the result of experience of outside and another inside.
 
thephilosopher6 said:
This sounds kind of like a form of spiritual monism. However, our minds are individual because we have our own individual thoughts and experiences that nobody but us could experience the same way but ourselves, of course. “i think, therefore I am.” - Rene Descartes (Principles of Philosophy)
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Have you ever asked yourself how experience is local when mind is spiritual and nonlocal? Experience doesn’t happen inside our minds because mind doesn’t have any inside or outside. The experience simply happen where you are. This simply allows us to have personal experience.
 
Bahman said:
That is not correct. Mind is spiritual hence it cannot be located. Our experiences are however local and personal. Have you ever asked yourself how such a thing is possible? Experiences don’t happen inside the mind since mind doesn’t have any inside. Experience simply happen in the place you are, in another word is local. Thought is the result of processing information which happen inside your brain. Mind allows the experience of thought too. The only difference between sensation and thought is that one is the result of experience of outside and another inside.
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Because we experience with our bodies, which are **per se **local and personal. My skin is mine and no-one else’s; my eyes are mine and no-one else’s; ditto my nose, limbs, etc.

But so is my mind; you no more know my thoughts than you can walk in my barefeet or see life through my eyes.

Whether a human mind is “inside” the body is somewhat beside the point. A spiritual entity can’t be “dispersed” geographically any more than it can reside “in” a head. Whether or not it’s in there, the human mind is inextricably linked to that heap of warm substance called a body, and cannot be meaningfully separated. It is a reasonable approximation to say the mind is in the body (or head).

ICXC NIKA
 
seagal said:
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I would also add, that even when 2 people go through the same experience at the same time it will affect them in different ways because of other factors in their personalities, personal histories, etc.
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Personality is the result of personal experiences and natures. The personality does reside inside your brain. It is not related to mind at all.
 
Bahman said:
Personality is the result of personal experiences and natures. The personality does reside inside your brain. It is not related to mind at all.
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It is related to your mind, for it encompasses your thought processes.

Personality is like a skin for your mind; like the skin of your body, it is the part of the mind that others see.

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fisherman_carl said:
I would consider that to be one being since one mind.

We are all connected in many ways. But, we all have separate minds. The burden of proof is on you to show any different.
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I am not trying to prove anything here. You have no proof to show the opposite. I am simply talking about the possibility of a scenario which we can simply imagine.
fisherman_carl said:
If I have my own thoughts and you have your own thoughts and there is a separation between our thoughts then we do not have the same thoughts. Nor the same mind. Unless you want to define mind as something else.
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Thoughts are the result of process of information. It has nothing to do with mind. We however experience our thoughts because of mind. Where the experience happen? Exactly where you are. Where is the mind? Mind does not have any location.
 
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