"Peace" Activists freed...by US forces

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That’s right, the evil mean US army saved them. Their response? Not one word of thanks. Oh, but they did call them “illegal occupiers”. They prayed for their terrorist friends. But no prayers for our military, even the ones who saved them from the terrorists who tortured and killed one of their friends. Typical liberals.
 
The irony is that if our troops had pulled out, they most likely would have been beheaded by their captors with no one to rescue them.
 
I would have been at least polite to the guys who saved me from beheading. Instead they continue to think WE are the bad guys even though the terrorists committed torture and murder. Where are the cries for “justice”? Instead their actions HELP the terrorists to kill other innocent people. These folks are just “useful idiots”.
 
From the CPT’s website:

"Throughout these difficult months, we have been heartened by messages of concern for our four colleagues from all over the world. We have been especially moved by the gracious outpouring of support from Muslim brothers and sisters in the Middle East, Europe, and North America. That support continues to come to us day after day. We pray that Christians throughout the world will, in the same spirit, call for justice and for respect for the human rights of the thousands of Iraqis who are being detained illegally by the U.S. and British forces occupying Iraq. "

Not one word of gratitude, or prayers for the young men and women in Iraq (including those that saved their hides). Whether you agree with the war or not, that is just plain rude. They blame the US troops for the killing of their friend, and not the monsters who tortured and killed him. These people aren’t Christians, these people sat idoly by while Iraqi’s were murdered to the tune of 100,000+ by Saddam’s regime and they didn’t care less. These people are just opportunists IMO.
 
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Mike_D30:
From the CPT’s website:

"Throughout these difficult months, we have been heartened by messages of concern for our four colleagues from all over the world. We have been especially moved by the gracious outpouring of support from Muslim brothers and sisters in the Middle East, Europe, and North America. That support continues to come to us day after day. We pray that Christians throughout the world will, in the same spirit, call for justice and for respect for the human rights of the thousands of Iraqis who are being detained illegally by the U.S. and British forces occupying Iraq. "

Not one word of gratitude, or prayers for the young men and women in Iraq (including those that saved their hides). Whether you agree with the war or not, that is just plain rude. They blame the US troops for the killing of their friend, and not the monsters who tortured and killed him. These people aren’t Christians, these people sat idoly by while Iraqi’s were murdered to the tune of 100,000+ by Saddam’s regime and they didn’t care less. These people are just opportunists IMO.
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So you disagree with Mike182 that they would not have been beheaded, and were really facing no danger at all? In that case why did the troops rescue them?

Opportunists do not willingly go into situations where they are facing execution. This is an irresponsible and dishonest charge on your part.

I don’t condone their failure to at least have some expression of Christian charity for the Western troops who rescued them. They may be obnoxious jerks for all I know. The one “Christian peacemaker” I’ve known personally got on my nerves (though that was no doubt due to my sinfulness at least as much as his).

But whatever you say about these people, they’re incredibly brave. I think what they are doing is noble and admirable, even if the way they do it is open to criticism. Putting oneself non-violently in harm’s way is the best Christian response to violence.

Edwin
 
I disagree. They were foolhardy not brave. They had the “look at me I’m doing something” syndrome. If they cared about Iraqi’s they wouldn’t be supporting the terrorists. Lenin called them “useful idiots”. I remember Christians who went to the USSR and applauded when shown churches turned into museums of atheism. They cared nothing for the Christians in the gulags.
 
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Contarini:
So you disagree with Mike182 that they would not have been beheaded, and were really facing no danger at all? In that case why did the troops rescue them?

Opportunists do not willingly go into situations where they are facing execution. This is an irresponsible and dishonest charge on your part.

I don’t condone their failure to at least have some expression of Christian charity for the Western troops who rescued them. They may be obnoxious jerks for all I know. The one “Christian peacemaker” I’ve known personally got on my nerves (though that was no doubt due to my sinfulness at least as much as his).

But whatever you say about these people, they’re incredibly brave. I think what they are doing is noble and admirable, even if the way they do it is open to criticism. Putting oneself non-violently in harm’s way is the best Christian response to violence.

Edwin
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You call them admirable, I call them leftist opportunists, tomato tomaaato…

I’ve been to war, seved five years in the Marines, I apolize if I can’t wax poetic on the bravery of ungrateful opportunists. Like I said look at the map where this group goes? Why aren’t they in Africa? If ever there’s a place in need of a response it’s Africa. I find these people to be very politicized, in fact what exactly do they do over there?

You have your view I have mine…I won’t lecture you on yours, and well…
 
I just visited the “Christian Peacemakers” website and as it turned out they added a statement later that same day (March 23rd) doing exactly what cestusdei berates them for not doing:
We have been so overwhelmed and overjoyed to have Jim, Harmeet and Norman freed, that we have not adequately thanked the people involved with freeing them, nor remembered those still in captivity. So we offer these paragraphs as the first of several addenda:

We are grateful to the soldiers who risked their lives to free Jim, Norman and Harmeet. As peacemakers who hold firm to our commitment to nonviolence, we are also deeply grateful that they fired no shots to free our colleagues. We are thankful to all the people who gave of themselves sacrificially to free Jim, Norman, Harmeet and Tom over the last four months, and those supporters who prayed and wept for our brothers in captivity, for their loved ones and for us, their co-workers.

We will continue to lift Jill Carroll up in our prayers for her safe return. In addition, we will continue to advocate for the human rights of Iraqi detainees and assert their right to due process in a just legal system.
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Now I’m quite willing to admit that the initial omission was telling and disturbing, and that quite likely they put up the “addendum” after being criticized. But they did put it up–which blunts cestusdei’s point considerably.

I remain baffled as to why it is braver to put oneself in danger for one’s country than for the teachings of Jesus, and why it is braver to go into a danger zone fully armed than unarmed. But as Mike said, we’ll just have to agree to disagree on that one.

Edwin
 
Mike,

One other note–their failure to establish projects in Africa is indeed puzzling.

Edwin
 
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cestusdei:
I disagree. They were foolhardy not brave. They had the “look at me I’m doing something” syndrome. If they cared about Iraqi’s they wouldn’t be supporting the terrorists. Lenin called them “useful idiots”. I remember Christians who went to the USSR and applauded when shown churches turned into museums of atheism. They cared nothing for the Christians in the gulags.
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There was some peace activist who went to Russia and boasted that Americans are free and can criticize Bush. The Russian said Russians are also free and also can criticize Bush.
 
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Contarini:
Mike,

One other note–their failure to establish projects in Africa is indeed puzzling.

Edwin
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I will admit I may have been hasty in calling them opportunists. But from what I’ve seen everyone in Iraq besides Iraqi’s and US and allied troops are opportunists in one form or another. I would like to see what they are actually doing there, besides trying to push their political agenda. And why don’t they note the torturing and brutality of Iraq’s former regime? They seem too one sided, and have liberal group written all over them.
 
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cestusdei:
That’s right, the evil mean US army saved them. Their response? Not one word of thanks. Oh, but they did call them “illegal occupiers”. They prayed for their terrorist friends. But no prayers for our military, even the ones who saved them from the terrorists who tortured and killed one of their friends. Typical liberals.
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Hey cestus, I would call them ungrateful scumbags. They’ll probably be stupid enough to go right back to Iraq again.
 
When are we gonna learn ourselves? We put ourselves through heartache by listening to the news.

Listen then research it yourselves to see if what your mad about is true. The news job is TO SELL COMMERCIALS Television is put on this earth to sell commercials. If there is conterversy then IT SELLS COMMERCIALS

Whether they posted after because they were shell shocked, or critized or they said and the news quoted them wrong or not all of the statement because it was too long (and cut into commercials) whatever happened, Listen to the news then be suspicious and see what you can find out yourself.

This is why the news hates the internet, we can talk amoung ourselves and find out differing opionions rather than the ones they want us to know. And best of all we generally dont have commercials.

I return you to the regularly scheduled thread 😃

ps Im guilty of being mad too 😦
 
It was a bit of comic relief to suggest that the ungrateful activists should have been sent back. I do suspect that their expressions of gratitude were rather belated, and that this ommission had a great deal to do with their opposition to our involvement in Iraq. Ultimately, I suspect that it had to do with the attitude of so many these days that while ‘it is better to light one candle than to curse the darkness’, it is impossible to ‘light a candle’ unless one ‘disses America’.

I will point out that I don’t hear a lot about peace activists in Iraq unless and until they are captured and threatened with death. So I dunno if the activists were showboating. They may even have been doing some constructive good in Iraq, despite their opposition to the war. Nor should any of us who are Christians give President Bush a pass about this war. It was prosecuted for reasons which did NOT rise to the level of a ‘just war’–even on the day prior to the commencement of hostilities, it was obvious that Iraq was not in imminant likelihood of launching an aggressive was against the US or any of it’s allies. Since the conclusion of that war, no evidence has emerged that Iraq was even seriously preparing for such aggression. (Such evidence may yet emerge, and be proven to have been efficiently hidden or else removed to other countries–but at the moment, we have little except circumstantial evidence that Iraq had any remaining capability to make WMD’s).

Meanwhile, the war simply was not prosecuted in a manner designed to truly win the foreseeable guerrilla war that has been the tactic since the collapse of Iraq’s standing army and governing infrastructure. Nor were appropriate steps taken early to protect the Iraqi people themselves from the chaos which ensued following that collapse. Nor have we behaved ourselves in an eminently-honorable fashion, as witnessed by the abuses of Abu Gharib, and as credibly rumored to have occurred elsewhere. While the establishment of a democratic government in Iraq and the removal of one of the more-horrific despots of the world are laudable goals, they were not the initial objective of the war nor would they have been sufficient cause in themselves to have justified the war.

We can and should support the troops, who are serving bravely and patriotically. We ought to do all we can to redeem ourselves in world opinion as being still a peope who support ideals shared by the vast majority of people throughout the planet. Given that the war is now an accomplished fact, I am certainly willing to support the secondary goals of democracy and justice which President Bush now makes the keystone of his reasoning for our continuing presence in Iraq. Nor do I intend to be among those who criticise anything and everything our President does or says, just because he happens to be the one who does those things or says them. But I reserve the right to be critical, as a Christian and as as an American, both of his initial stated justification for the war, and for the manner in which he has prosecuted it.
 
Read this on line:

Kember says a belated thank you to rescuers

The freed peace activist Norman Kember last night gave a qualified thanks to the soldiers who rescued him and two colleagues after 119 days of captivity in Iraq.

In an attempt to quell the furore surrounding his failure to thank the members of the SAS, MI6 and coalition forces who took part in the three-month search and rescue, Mr Kember said: “I do not believe that a lasting peace is achieved by armed force,” before adding: “But I pay tribute to their courage and thank those who played a part in my rescue.”

telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/03/26/nkemb26.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/03/26/ixhome.html
 
I didn’t hear the ones actually rescued praise the military. If the website added something it was only after they came under fire for not thanking the soldiers. I was not the only one to notice they thanked the TERRORISTS first. Simply amazing.
 
While the Bible teaches we are to love our enemies, it does not say that we should ignore the evil they commit - like killing your friend - or excuse them by blaming that murder on “illegal occupation”.
 
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