Protestant Scripture and Tradition given equal weight?

[Nicene]

Protestant Oral Tradition (or traditions of men as they like to say) which is given the same weight as Scripture and defended equally:

Sola Scriptura (T)
Sola Fide (T)
Man cannot forgive sin, the ability died with the apostles (though catholics understand “In persona Christi”) (T)
Communion (symbolic) (T)
Baptism (symbolic) (T)
Invisible Church (T)
Sinners Prayer (T)
OSAS (T)
Mary did not remain a virgin (T)
Local church defines Church doctrine (T)
The identifier “Protestant” (T)
Contraception (T)
Mary had other children (T)
Upholding coucil of Jamnia for OT canon (T)

These are localized (t):

Communion (symbolic vs consubstantiation) (t)
Baptism not necessary (t)
Church is optional (t)
Rapture (t)
Health and wealth (t)
Prayer cloths (t)
Revival meetings (t)
Southern Baptist Convention (t)
Missouri Synod (t)
Presbyterian General Synod (t)
Clergy not necessary (priesthood of believers) (t)
Speaking in tongues (or you’re not saved) (t) [charismatics/pentacostals]
priestesses (t)
same sex marriage (t)
same sex practicing priesthood (by church authority) (t)
Absense of Liturgical hours/Breviary (exception Lutheran, Anglican) (t) (repetative prayer)

The one thing it seems that cannot be admitted is that each church, when interpreting scripture (giving authority of the church over scripture) cannot go against these Traditions. (which are not biblical)

Can any protestant poster shed some light on this?

Peace and God Bless
Nicene

 

[Church_Militant]

Fascinating topic Nicene, and one that I hope you get some serious takers on because I’d like to see how they deal with this.

One that was left out though was the wedding rings. (t)

 

[Catholic_Dude]

Lets not forget some of the most explicit:

Calling oneself a “Lutheran” and “Calvinist”, etc

Is there any better example of “traditions of men” than naming your belief after a MAN? 1600 years removed from Christ?

Errors like those are God’s way of clearly and fully exposing such false teachers.

 

[Nicene]

Forgot to add:
The Holy Spirit interprets for all Christians. (T)

Peace and God Bless
Nicene

 

[joshua_b]

Don’t forget …

Prohibition of Alcohol

 

[Eden]

Great thread!

Here are some more Traditions/traditions you will find in Protestantism (some are also traditions of the Catholic Church, but fit the criteria because they are not specified in the Bible):

• using the chapter/verse system in the Bible
• Altar Calls
• Going to church on Sunday
• Celebrating Christmas on Dec. 25th and Easter on the same date as the Church each year
• having seats or pews inside the church
• using instruments to make music during worship

I’m not sure if this one has a place here, but I wanted to mention also that Protestants determine dates (as does most of the world) - using the Gregorian Calendar - which is the revised Julian Calendar created by Pope Gregory.

 

[JSmitty2005]

They also follow a few extra-biblical traditions that they’ve carried over from Catholicism like going to church on Sundays. Plus they put the doxology (a very Catholic thing) right on the end of the Our Father even though it wasn’t originally there. (At least that’s what I’ve heard.)

Also, where do you find anyone “accepting Jesus into their heart as personal Lord and Savior” in the Bible?

 

[Church_Militant]

JSmitty2005:

They also follow a few extra-biblical traditions that they’ve carried over from Catholicism like going to church on Sundays. Plus they put the doxology (a very Catholic thing) right on the end of the Our Father even though it wasn’t originally there. (At least that’s what I’ve heard.)

Also, where do you find anyone “accepting Jesus into their heart as personal Lord and Savior” in the Bible? King James Translators did that in one passage of the Our Father. See the Didache .
Pax tecum,

 

[Liberian]

Catholic Dude:

Lets not forget some of the most explicit:

Calling oneself a “Lutheran” and “Calvinist”, etc

Is there any better example of “traditions of men” than naming your belief after a MAN? 1600 years removed from Christ?

Errors like those are God’s way of clearly and fully exposing such false teachers.

Catholic Dude,

From my days as a Lutheran I can tell you that Luther did not want his church named after him. The name “Lutheran” was applied by others; Luther wanted to call his church simply “Christian.”

• Liberian

 

[auhsoj88]

Astrisks are Traditions of both Catholics and Protestants.

*The Trinity (If not for Sacred Tradition it would be difficult to believe in the Blessed Trinity!

*Marriage of couple with minister and witness

*Valenties Day, (yes, its Catholic, but protestant celebrate it)

*St. Patricks Day, (again, its Catholic but protestants celebrate it)

*Someone arlready stated Christmass and Easter

Grape Juice not wine

Self consecrating bread and wine

Tradition of claiming not to have a Tradition (big oxy moron)

39 books of the old testment

Authenticity of entire bible

If it feels good it must be the Holy Spirit

Earth is 6000 years old (or 5,293)

Christians will be save from persecution

Church is whore of babylon

Sola Scriptura, but hey if Jack Chick_ (fill in blank with whomever here) said it, it must be true.

God bless

 

[Eden]

*Someone arlready stated Christmass and Easter

Very good! I didn’t think of that angle. Calling the feast day of Christ’s birth in English “Christmas”, i.e. “Christ-Mass”. And calling the feast of Christ’s Resurrection “Easter”.

 

[JSmitty2005]

Eden:

Very good! I didn’t think of that angle. Calling the feast day of Christ’s birth in English “Christmas”, i.e. “Christ-Mass”. And calling the feast of Christ’s Resurrection “Easter”.

Protestant’s are always saying, “Don’t take Christ out of Christmas!” (ie. - “X-mas”),
but I say, “Don’t take Mass out of Christmas!”

 

[Eden]

JSmitty2005:

Protestant’s are always saying, “Don’t take Christ out of Christmas!” (ie. - “X-mas”),
but I say, “Don’t take Mass out of Christmas!”

Perfect! I’ll have to remember that.

 

[JSmitty2005]

The very names of the books of the Bible is something that Protestants accept despite the fact that the authors didn’t sign their writings. Yet another tradition they accept.

 

[Catholic_Dude]

Liberian:

Catholic Dude,

From my days as a Lutheran I can tell you that Luther did not want his church named after him. The name “Lutheran” was applied by others; Luther wanted to call his church simply “Christian.”

• Liberian

I agree, he wouldnt have wanted such a thing done. However the reality is that is the name used and embraced by them. The LCMS and such contain the name.

There are many churches where I live where the name is something like “St Marks Lutheran Church”, does the word “lutheran” really belong there? no, but that just goes to show that heresy/error can be easily exposed.

 

[Eden]

Here is another one I think no one mentioned yet; that the Blessed Mother sinned.

 

[JSmitty2005]

Eden:

Here is another one I think no one mentioned yet; that the Blessed Mother sinned.

VERY good one. Despite the fact that the majority of the original “reformers” accepted Mary’s sinlessness as non-negotiable, modern Protestants reject this Tradition outright and have made up their own.

 

[warriorangel_7]

Hello all, blessings!! If we spent more time on what we agree on instead of what we disagree on we could basically get along. If you see a breach in the wall, don’t stand there and criticize it, fix it!!

Everyone here is talking about traditions and dogmas and canon laws and holidays and no one is talking about the love Jesus has for everyone!! I have witnessed absolutely fantastic miracles healings and prophetic wonders from those you deem “the seperated bretheren”

God created us so that he could walk intimately with us in the cool of the evening. He wants us to be men and women after his own heart, it is not how much knowledge you have, but how much love you possess for His heart!!

Many “know” Jesus, it is time to transfer that knowledge 18" to the heart!! The “protestants” are blessed more than you know…

 

[warriorangel_7]

JSmitty2005:

They also follow a few extra-biblical traditions that they’ve carried over from Catholicism like going to church on Sundays. Plus they put the doxology (a very Catholic thing) right on the end of the Our Father even though it wasn’t originally there. (At least that’s what I’ve heard.)

Also, where do you find anyone “accepting Jesus into their heart as personal Lord and Savior” in the Bible?

Where is it in the Bible that church is on Sunday? We are not suppose to “go to church” we are to “be” the church … “However, the Most High does not live in houses made by men.” Acts7:48…“The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by hands.” Acts17:24…

“Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit lives in you?..God’s temple is sacred, and you are that temple.”…1Cor.3:16…If all this is scripture, tell me why we do not need top accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior???

 

[Nicene]

warriorangel 7:

Hello all, blessings!! If we spent more time on what we agree on instead of what we disagree on we could basically get along. If you see a breach in the wall, don’t stand there and criticize it, fix it!!

Everyone here is talking about traditions and dogmas and canon laws and holidays and no one is talking about the love Jesus has for everyone!! I have witnessed absolutely fantastic miracles healings and prophetic wonders from those you deem “the seperated bretheren”

God created us so that he could walk intimately with us in the cool of the evening. He wants us to be men and women after his own heart, it is not how much knowledge you have, but how much love you possess for His heart!!

Many “know” Jesus, it is time to transfer that knowledge 18" to the heart!! The “protestants” are blessed more than you know…

A couple things: The thread wasn’t started to bash protestants however the dichotomy which exists is evident and transparent that Sola Scriptura really isn’t Sola Scriptura. It is Scripture and Tradition within any church. Everything is seen through the prism of that churches teaching. If you go in with the belief, or are taught OSAS, for example, they will view all their studies based on that premise.

The “protestants” are blessed more than you

Some are better catholics than some catholics I know (myself included). Yet if brought home they will continue to grow and recieve even more graces.

Who would you contend are the best catholics? Converts or cradles? (Historically one group stands out by far)

As you’ll also note, I asked for protestant responses to this dichotomy sinse, as part of their (T)radition, we are accused of exactly this. How can one justify allegations when one is practicing the same set of criteria?

What do you make of the deafening silence?

The thread wasn’t intended to be a soapbox of uncharity but to explore the reasoning behind the issue and it’s validity. (some people are trying to turn it into a soapbox)

Peace and God Bless
Nicene