Questions about the Multiverse

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Please don’t try to shake my faith. It’s weak enough already.

A) Can it possibly be eternal

B) Is it possible that God didn’t reveal Himself to other worlds

C) Is our behavior dependent on that of those in other worlds

D) Is there any way that this is illogical

I’m a young teenage guy. Please don’t try to shake my faith.
 
A) Depends. Keep in mind that any conception of a multiverse is a highly speculative model. Some models might in principle be able to escape the necessity of having a beginning (if they are non-inflationary, for example). So I guess, yes it is possible in a broad sense, but we have little current reason to believe that is actually the case.

B) Sorry, I’m not sure I understand this question. Are you asking that if there is a multiverse with other worlds like ours, whether God possibly did/did not reveal Himself there?

C) I’m gonna go with no, though I might need more context as to why this would ever be the case.

D) Probably plenty, but I don’t think the idea is fleshed out enough yet to show where problems may lie.

I’m sorry if these answers are terse, but I don’t have tons to go on here. Would you be willing to lay out what reasons there might be for worrying that these might be true?

And also, if you are struggling with your faith and have not browsed around yet, I would highly recommend these two books:

amazon.com/Answering-Atheism-Make-Logic-Charity/dp/1938983432/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1455114217&sr=8-1&keywords=Trent+Horn

amazon.com/Last-Superstition-Refutation-New-Atheism/dp/1587314525/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1455114241&sr=8-1&keywords=the+last+superstition
 
Whatever is out there, God created it, personally, I think the wide range of life we have had here on earth since its creation shows how much God likes to create, look at the dinosaurs, they were completely different than we are, but God created them, and they were here for millions of years (we have only been here for a couple thousand), so, its likely there are MANY other ‘worlds’ out there with some type of life, whether they be other planets, dimensions, multiverses, etc. Point is, they were still created by one God.

There may be other worlds with only non-intelligent life, so God would not really need to reveal himself to those worlds, and those worlds that hold intelligent life, we have no way of knowing the details about this, their world and creation would have nothing to do with us, and have no impact on our relationship with God, the only exception would be if any 2 separate creations would ever meet each other, but that gets into another issue, and we have no way of even guessing what the results of that may be.

I would focus on our world and our relationship with God, thats whats really important imo. After all, God is not an entity we can not fully understand with our human minds, that probably goes for his creations as well
 
If the concept is valid I Would assume there are many universes that have different ‘rules’ thatwill not support life.

So no life, no need for God…at least from our limited perspective.

I think you are imagining that all variants would be slightly different versions of this one, with a multitude of you! Each ones actions somehowreflectant/impacting you and your eternal existance. Remember, you can only be responsible for you, not any doppelgangers!

Given the nature of probability, I doubt any would be even close to ours!
 
Please don’t try to shake my faith. It’s weak enough already.

A) Can it possibly be eternal
No, it cannot. We know that matter cannot be created or destroyed by any natural process, and that something cannot create itself. Any multiverse existing in tandem with our own universe would still consist of matter in some form, which means that it would have to have been created at some point. If it was created, then it is not eternal.
B) Is it possible that God didn’t reveal Himself to other worlds
This is entirely possible. Though, this clause makes the assumption that other life exists to which God would reveal himself. That’s not a given. If there is a multiverse, it’s entirely possible that we are the only creation God gave rational souls to. It’s also possible there are others, we really just don’t know. The Bible and the teachings of the Church deal with Humanity’s salvation history, so we don’t really touch on the subject of other creations with rational souls.
C) Is our behavior dependent on that of those in other worlds
Nope. If there are other creations with rational souls, their behavior is their own, and our behavior is our own. They would not influence us, and we would not influence them.
D) Is there any way that this is illogical
I’m a young teenage guy. Please don’t try to shake my faith.
You haven’t really made a logical claim, you’re just asking questions. So… no, you’re good ^^

We’re not here to shake your faith, only answer your questions. Feel free to ask more.
 
Please don’t try to shake my faith. It’s weak enough already.

A) Can it possibly be eternal

B) Is it possible that God didn’t reveal Himself to other worlds

C) Is our behavior dependent on that of those in other worlds

D) Is there any way that this is illogical

I’m a young teenage guy. Please don’t try to shake my faith.
The idea of a multiverse is not fully accepted, and I personally like the late Terry Pratchett’s character Mr. Bent’s take on it (in response to another character doing something he didn’t particularly like), he says:
There are, some risible people like to suggest, an infinite number of universes, in order to allow everything that may happen a place to happen in. This is, of course, nonsense, which they entertain only because they believe words are the same as reality. Now, however, I can disprove the theory, since in such an infinity of worlds there would have to be one where I would applaud your recent actions and, let me assure you, sir, infinity is not that big!
Basically, it’s not something that well known enough that it should shake your faith no matter what might be true if there were multiple universes, because there may not be any.

But:

a) “Can it be eternal”: Hard to say. It seems (theologically) likely that each universe within it would not be, but that depends on whether what God revealed to us was specific to our universe or not, and since the idea of multiple universes itself is not fully developed, neither is theology based on that idea. But it is mathematically possible that each universe were finite while there always being universes up, so that the multiverse were infinite.

b) “Is it possible that God did not reveal Himself in other universes”: I would hazard a guess that the answer is yes at any particular time, but not as a “not ever”. God would reveal Himself to the extent and at what time is best, and should the universes be different enough, this could be at different times within them (measured from their beginning, I suppose)

c) I don’t think so. Again, I haven’t heard (and doubt there is) anything remotely official on the subject, but my take is as follows: Even in the idea of splitting universes, where in some universe we made one decision and in other universes “we” made other decisions, we, ourselves, are in THIS universe, and the decisions that we made are what we did here. Other “versions” of us that did different things would be different people that just happened to have histories that looked somewhat similar to ours.

d) Yes, if you mean the existence of multiple universes. It depends on what claims exactly are made, but it could fall apart spectacularly in any number of ways (from claiming that we are responsible for actions done by other versions of us, to claiming that philosophical truths vary between them, and on).
 
Please don’t try to shake my faith. It’s weak enough already.

A) Can it possibly be eternal

B) Is it possible that God didn’t reveal Himself to other worlds

C) Is our behavior dependent on that of those in other worlds

D) Is there any way that this is illogical

I’m a young teenage guy. Please don’t try to shake my faith.
Where are you getting exposed to multiverse concepts?

If you’ve read about people, even famous scientists, touting multiverse theory as a “proof” that there is no God, don’t worry, take it with a grain of salt, and pity the fool that resorts to such a flimsy argument.

If you see multiverse in science fiction, have fun with it but remember that the authors just make this stuff up. I mean, sure, they research it and try to make it convincing, but that is the art of good fiction. The stories are imaginative, entertaining, and thought-provoking, but can’t be relied upon to reveal the true secrets of our universe.
 
Please don’t try to shake my faith. It’s weak enough already.

A) Can it possibly be eternal

B) Is it possible that God didn’t reveal Himself to other worlds

C) Is our behavior dependent on that of those in other worlds

D) Is there any way that this is illogical

I’m a young teenage guy. Please don’t try to shake my faith.
A: Yes, if the concept is correct then there is no reason to believe that it is NOT eternal. Our universe isn’t but if there is a multiverse, then the process that produced ours does not have to be finite. In fact, it would almost certainly be infinite.

B: Not applicable to me.

C: The behavior of any life forms elsewhere has no impact on our behavior. With the exception of our understanding of our position in the universe should we become aware of life elsewhere and how that would affect us.

D: Nope, it’s all quite logical. But inflation, which leads invariably to a multiverse, is difficult to prove because it’s difficult to detect its effects. But one of the effects is gravitational waves and wouldn’t you know it, there will be an announcement tomorrow from the LIGO team in the US that they have detected them. If they are proved correct it may be the biggest scientific discovery of anyone’s lifetime.

Nice timing for your question, Upgrade.
 
And it does look like they have been found. Very big news indeed…
 
Please don’t try to shake my faith. It’s weak enough already.

A) Can it possibly be eternal

B) Is it possible that God didn’t reveal Himself to other worlds

C) Is our behavior dependent on that of those in other worlds

D) Is there any way that this is illogical

I’m a young teenage guy. Please don’t try to shake my faith.
In the first place, there is no specific evidence of a multiverse. It is entirely hypothesis, or science fiction. So it seems to me you are getting excited about something that does not deserve all that concern.

But here’s a fun spin. If there is a multiverse, you would still have to explain why there is a multiverse rather than a universe. That is, there would still have to be a necessary cause of the multiverse, just as there is a necessary cause of the universe. Multiverse cannot explain itself.
 
But here’s a fun spin. If there is a multiverse, you would still have to explain why there is a multiverse rather than a universe. That is, there would still have to be a necessary cause of the multiverse, just as there is a necessary cause of the universe.
You might be able to use that argument for the universe because we can wind the clock back and see a point where it appeared to have started. That is not so with any process that produces a multiverse.

And please, just because you can’t get your head around it doesn’t make it impossible.
 
There is no evidence of there being multiple universes. It is an absurd hypothesis in my opinion.
 
There is no evidence of there being multiple universes. It is an absurd hypothesis in my opinion.
Would you mind telling us on what you base this opinion? If you know about the models that are being produced that indicate the possibility when one includes inflation, then I’d be keen to hear what you have to say.
 
You might be able to use that argument for the universe because we can wind the clock back and see a point where it appeared to have started. That is not so with any process that produces a multiverse.

And please, just because you can’t get your head around it doesn’t make it impossible.
The first cause argument doesn’t actually require a beginning in time (St. Thomas Aquinas, for example, said that a begining in time was something Christians could get from faith but was not something that could be deduced otherwise (from the knowledge available to him at that time)).

The First Cause argument is related to “why is there something rather than nothing”. Why “multiverse” instead of “no multiverse”. (And yes, you could posit that it’s just there and is the first cause itself, but then you get other things reasoned out about it which would fail to be true, etc, etc, but that’s a tangent and also the OP seemed to suggest that he didn’t especially want to get into that sort of argument at this time.)
 
Would you mind telling us on what you base this opinion? If you know about the models that are being produced that indicate the possibility when one includes inflation, then I’d be keen to hear what you have to say.
A model is not evidence … or do you think a model is evidence?

This multiverse nonsense reminds me of the way atheists used to mock medieval theology by describing it as a debate about how many angels could sit on the head of a pin.
 
A model is not evidence … or do you think a model is evidence?

This multiverse nonsense reminds me of the way atheists used to mock medieval theology by describing it as a debate about how many angels could sit on the head of a pin.
According Aquinas, if there is no necessary cause of the universe, the universe would only possibly exist. But we know the universe necessarily, rather than possibly, exists; therefore the universe requires a necessary cause.

The same logic would have to be applied to a multiverse.

God is needed to create either a universe or a multiverse.

Neither a universe nor a multiverse (if the multiverse even exists) have in themselves the explanation of why they exist.
 
Please don’t try to shake my faith. It’s weak enough already.

A) Can it possibly be eternal

B) Is it possible that God didn’t reveal Himself to other worlds

C) Is our behavior dependent on that of those in other worlds

D) Is there any way that this is illogical

I’m a young teenage guy. Please don’t try to shake my faith.
A) Maybe. I don’t know much about the multiverse theory. This may help. sciencealert.com/the-parallel-universe-theory-is-not-just-maths-it-s-science-that-can-be-tested

B) It Is possible. It is also possible the universe itself was always here and didn’t have a cause.

C) Unsure.

D) Again unsure.
 
Would you mind telling us on what you base this opinion? If you know about the models that are being produced that indicate the possibility when one includes inflation, then I’d be keen to hear what you have to say.
To be honest, I don’t know very much about astronomy or physics as I am a Biological science person, but from what I have heard from the physics professors, it seems to just be a made up hypothesis to explain the origin of the Big Bang without God.
 
To be honest, I don’t know very much about astronomy or physics as I am a Biological science person, but from what I have heard from the physics professors, it seems to just be a made up hypothesis to explain the origin of the Big Bang without God.
If I may ask what college do you go to?
 
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