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kerytat
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Does anyone know of seminaries that teach both forms of the mass? Or does such a seminary not exist? Thanks!
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Pious
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Hi and welcome to the forums 
Personally I would think it would be to much for a seminarian to take in; the formation for training for the Tridentine is seven yerars long which consists of:
One year of spiritual formation.
Two yeras of philosophy studies
Four years in theological studies
I believe the formation for seminarians in the Novus Ordo is less, so it could cause confusion (IMO).
I think a Priest trained in the Tridentine Mass could celebrate a Novus Ordo Mass (say for instance he was assigned to a Novus Ordo parish for a time).
I have not heard of a Seminary training in both forms of the Mass, but that does not mean one does not exist, maybe someone else will know.
Personally I would think it would be to much for a seminarian to take in; the formation for training for the Tridentine is seven yerars long which consists of:
One year of spiritual formation.
Two yeras of philosophy studies
Four years in theological studies
I believe the formation for seminarians in the Novus Ordo is less, so it could cause confusion (IMO).
I think a Priest trained in the Tridentine Mass could celebrate a Novus Ordo Mass (say for instance he was assigned to a Novus Ordo parish for a time).
I have not heard of a Seminary training in both forms of the Mass, but that does not mean one does not exist, maybe someone else will know.
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Friar_David_O.Carm
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Huh? Formation though a seminary is the same for all. Why would formation be longer for the old Mass?Hi and welcome to the forums
Personally I would think it would be to much for a seminarian to take in; the formation for training for the Tridentine is seven yerars long which consists of:
One year of spiritual formation.
Two yeras of philosophy studies
Four years in theological studies
I believe the formation for seminarians in the Novus Ordo is less, so it could cause confusion (IMO).
The Mass is nothing but the form of the Eucharistic Liturgy, the theology/spirituality is no different, no matter what many may think.
A seminarian does not get into the acutals of how to celebrate the sacraments until the last two years of the seminary when he takes classes called “practicums” where the exact mechanics of how to celebrate them are taught and practiced.
The only difference would be an additional practicum as every Roman Catholic priest must know how to celebrate the current Mass of the Church and some additional Latin. I have found out that Latin is not a required class at the semianry I will eventually (God willing) be attending. I do plan on taking it though as an elective but some of my brothers do not plan on doing so.
I believe that the teaching of how to celebrate the old Mass would be done outside of the Seminary as it is not required of a priest. Such as a religious order that adds this training to their orders formation or a diocesean priest who seeks out someone to learn from. I have not heard of any semainary that teaches this but I bet that the Fraternity of St Peter (FSSP) teaches this at their seminary.
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Pious
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My apologise ByzCath, for some reason I thought the training of Priests in the N.O was shorter than that of the training in the T.L.M.
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Brendan
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It might be a pre-requiste, like Philosophy. At the Seminary where I am taking my Diaconate classes, 1 year of Latin and 2 years of Philosophy are pre-requisetes for admission.
If you don’t have them, the Seminary will still accept you, but you spend a few ‘pre-theologiate’ years studying those. Those years are in addition to the M.Div\Full Seminary course of study.
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Friar_David_O.Carm
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Brendan,
First, keep in mind, when I say seminary I am talking about the semianry I will be (God willing) entering into.
I am in the ‘pre-theologiate’ years now. Guys who come to the pre-noviatate with a degree get the required philosophy those without a degree get a degree along with the required philosophy. Right now all that is required to enter the seminary is 18-24 credits of philosophy. No language requirement besides the requirement of the 6 credits for a degree.
I could take Latin as that language but there is a little pressure to make it Spanish.
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Brendan
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Got it.
Yep, that’s pretty sad. As I mentioned, the seminary I am at requires 6 credits of Latin, either as part of the canidates regualar undergrad, or as part of the pre-theologiate.
And the seminarians will take 3 credit hours of Kione Greek during their seminary formation.
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kerytat
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Thanks for the response!
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mosher
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While it is true that the Society of Saint John Cantius celebrates both it is not true that they learn how to celebrate both in the seminary. At the seminary they learn to celebrate the Novus Ordo and their community teaches them how to celebrate the Tridentine forms. I know this because I was at the seminary with them for my first two years.
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Shoshana
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Dominica33
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Regarding formation for the TLM at FSSP or ICK, there are seven years involved. For the typical NO seminary, it is only 4 if you come in with your theology and philosophy prereqs; add a year or two if not. So they aren’t the same length.
And it’s mind-boggling that ANY seminarian would have the option to take or not take Latin during his formation. That is the official language of the church, and if we are to be faithful to even Vatican II, that language is essential so that it maintains “pride of place.” I have perused not a small number of seminary websites, and it’s amazing that the majority don’t even offer Latin anymore.
And it’s mind-boggling that ANY seminarian would have the option to take or not take Latin during his formation. That is the official language of the church, and if we are to be faithful to even Vatican II, that language is essential so that it maintains “pride of place.” I have perused not a small number of seminary websites, and it’s amazing that the majority don’t even offer Latin anymore.
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chicago
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Why is this? And is it a peculiarity of how they train seminarians at a certain age or of the orders which typically accept men for these apostolates? The process for a man who is a Jesuit (or a member of some other religious orders) is generally longer from initial entry, also, for example.
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Chatter163
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Different seminaries in different dioceses and among different orders have different requirements, following different timelines. It has always been that way and has never been a “one size fits all” matter.
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Friar_David_O.Carm
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I agree, well that is for the Latin Church I agree. All seminarians for the Latin Church should have Laitn. Just as all seminarians for the Byzantine (Ruthenian) Church should have Church Slavonic.
The actual seminary time is the same for all seminaries. Four years to get the Masters of Divinity. If you enter the seminary without a bachelors degree and/or with out the required philosophy (18 to 24 credits) then you need to get that before you start the MDiv.
The usual differences in time is the formation periods. Like I said, all religious orders have a time of postulancy (pre-novitiate) which is any where from 6 months to a year and then all have the novitiate which is a year and a day, this is mandated by Canon Law. Then some dioceses/seminaries/religious orders have additional formation years.
The seminary here in Houston, or it might just one of the dioceases using it, has a pastoral year between the third and foruth years of the MDiv, so seminary time for those guys is 5 years. We Carmelites have a one to two year internship in one of the orders ministries before entering the seminary.
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