Sending people to hell

[opusAquinas]

I heard that if you kill a fellow Catholic because you know they’re in the state of mortal sin in order to send them to hell they actually die a martyr and go to heaven.

I was wondering if you kill a muslim in order to send that person to hell because they don’t believe in Jesus Christ does that person die a martyr and go to heaven too?

 

[LethalMouse]

Killing hitler with intent to send to hell and him becoming a saintly martyr?

Killing joe blow who is almost perfect but sleeps with his fiance?

I would image these are two different contexts

 

[fisherman_carl]

Such a teaching is not Credible. Only God is the judge. You can’t force God or put him in a box. You can’t say where a person will go because we are not the judge. The only thing that I have heard that even comes remotely close is that if a Catholic committed a mortal sin, but they repented and intended to go to the Sacrament of Confession then they would be forgiven if somehow they died before they were able to get to the Sacrament. God is the judge because he knows our hearts. It is a more about the disposition of our heart toward God and others. And not so much about the circumstances of our death.

 

[RPRPsych]

Such a teaching is not Credible. Only God is the judge. You can’t force God or put him in a box. You can’t say where a person will go because we are not the judge. The only thing that I have heard that even comes remotely close is that if a Catholic committed a mortal sin, but they repented and intended to go to the Sacrament of Confession then they would be forgiven if somehow they died before they were able to get to the Sacrament. God is the judge because he knows our hearts. It is a more about the disposition of our heart toward God and others. And not so much about the circumstances of our death.

Agree completely.

An individual’s salvation cannot depend on the dispositions of others, as that would violate his free choice to accept or reject God.

This reminds me of the argument I once saw on a crackpot site which said “to ensure that your children are saved, kill them after Baptism”

 

[tweedlealice]

Salutations in Christ,
What comes to mind to me is: JUDGE, AND BE THEE JUDGE." OR “JUDGE NOT OR BE THEE JUDGE”. I have to let you Google site. I’ve lost messages trying to get everything. As aggravating as it is to me, if Hitler prayed at the last moment to be forgiven, God would forgive him. “IN MY HOUSE , THERE ARE MANY MANSIONS. I GO TO PREPARE A PLACE FOR YOU. IF THIS WERE NOT SO, I WOULD TELL YOU.”
Now, all the mansions are not the same. So, I’m sure the Saints and martyrs are up with the Kardashians. (Joke). The Hitlers of the world, would be a smaller one. ? If I get there, and saw him in the street, I wouldn’t be able to say,“Glad you made it!” I’d be so happy I made it.
Murder is not allowed. Self defense is. OR the job of a sniper. It is a hard job. The rules changed in VIET Nam. Women and children took active roles in killing Americans. If a sniper had the job of killing the evil head of a snake, succeed,please. It is the same w terrorists. Who dresses your child up with fake bombing vests for parades? The mother of a homicide bomber rejoices in the loss of her son because he blew himself up and killed x amount of Jews? Well, the family was paid $25,000.00 dollars.
And the guy has 71 virgins waiting for him. I have humorous comments I could say here but I would get demerits. From our scripture, there is no sex in heaven. A husband dies and in those dsys, his brother would marry his widow. This happened 6 times to this one widow. It was a practical custom to care for the widow and orphan. But, yulk. Anyway, did anyone think she was a serial killer. That just came to me. I must be watching too many criminal minds. Sorry God. The question, the Pharasee asked was,“WHO WOULD BE HER HUSBAND IN HEAVEN?”
Exact wording not used here. Answer=She wouldn’t have a husband in heaven." Our partner is God to whom, we give love and praise. My theory.
Summaryne cannot go out and kill someone, unless self defense or a military assignment.
One cannot judge where that person is going because that is God’s job. Finally, if we have the heart of Jesus we should be happy a soul was redeemed.
Did you know, Hitler was an altar boy and his stepfather was a Jew. Source is history channel.
Always trying to be Jesus in this world but failing.
in Christ’s love
Tweedlealice

 

[ffg]

Where do people get these ‘heards’?

No human can ‘send’ a human to hell.

 

[mikekle]

Killing hitler with intent to send to hell and him becoming a saintly martyr?

Killing joe blow who is almost perfect but sleeps with his fiance?

I would image these are two different contexts

In our view, yes, this would be correct, we most certainly do not put Hitler and someone who has sex before marriage on the same level, but we have no idea if God does or not. His ways are not our ways, not even remotely.

Keep in mind, God also allows children to suffer because of the sins of adults, when terrible things like this happen, everyone asks why would God allow such a thing to happen…but the fact is, he does and we are just told our ways are not Gods ways.

 

[opusAquinas]

In our view, yes, this would be correct, we most certainly do not put Hitler and someone who has sex before marriage on the same level, but we have no idea if God does or not. His ways are not our ways, not even remotely.

Keep in mind, God also allows children to suffer because of the sins of adults, when terrible things like this happen, everyone asks why would God allow such a thing to happen…but the fact is, he does and we are just told our ways are not Gods ways.

I find that this reply to be the most sensible of the posts so far.

Also in response to the other posts I never said that people can send other people to hell. I said that if a person kills another person who is in the state of mortal sin in order to (with the intention to) send them to hell the person who was killed is now a martyr and goes directly to heaven. So if I were to kill Hitler who is in the state of mortal sin but still believed as a Catholic with the intention to send him to hell I would actually be sending him to heaven as a martyr.

So I wonder-what if a person kills a muslim in order to send them to hell because they don’t believe in Jesus Christ would that person go to heaven as a martyr too?

 

[opusAquinas]

Agree completely.

An individual’s salvation cannot depend on the dispositions of others, as that would violate his free choice to accept or reject God.

This reminds me of the argument I once saw on a crackpot site which said “to ensure that your children are saved, kill them after Baptism”

I often hear this very bizarre statement that you can’t understand a person’s heart or disposition towards God. But I think that in at least 75% of cases it’s not that difficult to know a person’s heart. People are actually very easy to understand generally speaking. Either you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and you love him or you do not. If a person is committing adultery for example or missing mass on Sunday they are in a state of mortal sin and if someone would kill that person to send that person to hell they would actually inadvertently be sending that person to heaven an as a martyr.

 

[tweedlealice]

I heard that if you kill a fellow Catholic because you know they’re in the state of mortal sin in order to send them to hell they actually die a martyr and go to heaven.

I was wondering if you kill a muslim in order to send that person to hell because they don’t believe in Jesus Christ does that person die a martyr and go to heaven too?

Salutations
If you are planning a murder which Is premeditated is going to send you to hell. Hitler would still merit hell, assuming that is where God was sending him. Snipers are on orders. They are praying when taking that shot. The assignment is for very bad men. His job saves the lives of his comrades and innocent natives.
Shooting people like Hitler only make him a martyr to his followers, not God.
in Christ’s love.
Tweedlealice

 

[hasantas]

I heard that if you kill a fellow Catholic because you know they’re in the state of mortal sin in order to send them to hell they actually die a martyr and go to heaven.

I was wondering if you kill a muslim in order to send that person to hell because they don’t believe in Jesus Christ does that person die a martyr and go to heaven too?

Firstly Muslims believe in Jesus correctly but some Christians do not.

There are some requirements for a human to be martyr. A human could be a martyr if that one is being killed in duty of supporting faith and religion. Or being killed during defence of self country.

Muslim or Christian if someone kill other without a valid reason thence I do not know if the killed human will go Heavens but the killer is very certain probaply to go Hell.

People before Jesus who do not believe in Jesus(there was not Jesus yet!) but they were good and faithful people so they will go Heavens.

If someone does not believe in Jesus so he will go Hell and that is trrue. Because all prophets declared same thing and that was to believe in one God. Muslims believe in what Jesus preached but Muslims do not believe in what Church established!

 

[kdbueno]

A martyr pre-supposes an understanding of orthodoxy

 

[Scottgun]

Muslims believe in what Jesus preached but Muslims do not believe in what Church established!

False dichotomy. The Church is the bride of Jesus Christ, the Incarnation, established by Him and invested by Him with authority. One dude with a private revelation are a dime-a-dozen.

 

[vz71]

I heard that if you kill a fellow Catholic because you know they’re in the state of mortal sin in order to send them to hell they actually die a martyr and go to heaven.

I was wondering if you kill a muslim in order to send that person to hell because they don’t believe in Jesus Christ does that person die a martyr and go to heaven too?

You have heard incorrect information.