Sky Angel

[Alfie]

I used to on occassion watch ETWN but than I bought a Sky Angel Satellite dish. Twenty four hours of awesome Christian television programming.

My question is, are there any Protestant programs on ETWN besides conversion stories? For instance does it ever broadcast Greg Laurie or Ravi Zaharias? I heard a Catholic on ETWN who went and complained to the Christian radio stations that there were no Catholic programs on the Christian stations. Now there are some Catholic programs on most of them. ETWN network is on Sky Angel and I must be honest and say that I do not approve of Catholic programing being allowed to be on Christian radio or TV. Years ago Pat Roberstson would have Mother Angelica on his 700 Club and that would bug me. If there are no Evangelical programs on ETWN or Catholic radio don’t you think it is only fair that there be allowed Evangelical programs too?

 

[rayne89]

Alfie:

I used to on occassion watch ETWN but than I bought a Sky Angel Satellite dish. Twenty four hours of awesome Christian television programming.

My question is, are there any Protestant programs on ETWN besides conversion stories? For instance does it ever broadcast Greg Laurie or Ravi Zaharias? I heard a Catholic on ETWN who went and complained to the Christian radio stations that there were no Catholic programs on the Christian stations. Now there are some Catholic programs on most of them. ETWN network is on Sky Angel and I must be honest and say that I do not approve of Catholic programing being allowed to be on Christian radio or TV. Years ago Pat Roberstson would have Mother Angelica on his 700 Club and that would bug me. If there are no Evangelical programs on ETWN or Catholic radio don’t you think it is only fair that there be allowed Evangelical programs too?

If a channel was a specific denomination like Luthern or Baptist ect I would understand not having Catholic programming. Just like protestant programming isn’t on an exclusively Catholic channel. (All though our Catholic radio channel has Michael Medved and if I remember correctly he’s Jewish.) Since Catholics are Christians I don’t understand why they should be barred from general Christian programming.

 

[Church_Militant]

There’s a BIG difference between public stations that run paid programming, which HAVE TO offer whatever is paid for, and EWTN which is a private Catholic network devoted to nothing but Catholic programming.

The worst thing that you have said is

Originally Posted by Alfie

ETWN network is on Sky Angel and I must be honest and say that **I do not approve of Catholic programing being allowed to be on Christian radio or TV.**Since Catholics ARE Christians, (the first in fact) you show a bigotted bias that is shameful.

If you don’t want to see EWTN (which is your loss…) do what I do when I see stuff coming on that I don’t care for.
Change the channel.

But please, don’t be ignorant and bigoted Alfie. :bible1: :irish1:

 

[Orionthehunter]

Alfie:

I used to on occassion watch ETWN but than I bought a Sky Angel Satellite dish. Twenty four hours of awesome Christian television programming.

My question is, are there any Protestant programs on ETWN besides conversion stories? For instance does it ever broadcast Greg Laurie or Ravi Zaharias? I heard a Catholic on ETWN who went and complained to the Christian radio stations that there were no Catholic programs on the Christian stations. Now there are some Catholic programs on most of them. ETWN network is on Sky Angel and I must be honest and say that I do not approve of Catholic programing being allowed to be on Christian radio or TV. Years ago Pat Roberstson would have Mother Angelica on his 700 Club and that would bug me. If there are no Evangelical programs on ETWN or Catholic radio don’t you think it is only fair that there be allowed Evangelical programs too?

If you don’t approve of Mother Angelica being on Pat’s show, why do you approve of anti-Catholics being here on CAF?

If a non-Catholic Christian station wants to deny Catholic programming, that is their perogative. Maybe the reason they chose to invite Catholic programming is they saw it was meeting a need of their listeners who were Catholic.

EWTN exists w/ the express purpose of airing family and religious programming from a Catholic point of view in English and Spanish. Its supporters ascribe to that mission. If they want to support a different mission, they are free to do so.

 

[Alfie]

rayne89:

If a channel was a specific denomination like Luthern or Baptist ect I would understand not having Catholic programming. Just like protestant programming isn’t on an exclusively Catholic channel. (All though our Catholic radio channel has Michael Medved and if I remember correctly he’s Jewish.) Since Catholics are Christians I don’t understand why they should be barred from general Christian programming.

Michael Medved has a conservative talk program. It is not a religious program.Therefore your example does not wash. It is void, null, and bogus.

 

[Church_Militant]

Alfie:

Michael Medved has a conservative talk program. It is not a religious program.Therefore your example does not wash. It is void, null, and bogus.

:whacky: :whacky: :yawn:

 

[Alfie]

Church Militant:

There’s a BIG difference between public stations that run paid programming, which HAVE TO offer whatever is paid for, and EWTN which is a private Catholic network devoted to nothing but Catholic programming.

The worst thing that you have said is
Since Catholics ARE Christians, (the first in fact) you show a bigotted bias that is shameful.

If you don’t want to see EWTN (which is your loss…) do what I do when I see stuff coming on that I don’t care for.
Change the channel.

But please, don’t be ignorant and bigoted Alfie. :bible1: :irish1:

Have you ever watched Sky Angel? It has over thirty radio and TV stations on it. Correct me if I am wrong but one of the stations is called FamilyLand. What I understand is that FamilyLand is a Catholic owned station and it broadcasts ETWN programs on it.It has paid advertisements on it. What is your point in saying that ETWN is a private station? If Protestants can’t broadcast programs on ETWN than should church property be taxed? Sky Angel operates off of the DISH network. Evangelical Christians are raising money to buy their own satellite system so they will not be dependent on DISH network to broadcast. This is awesome. Pretty soon Sky Network will be broadcasting to almost every country in the world. This is the “Great Commission” to preach the gospel to all the world. “Praise the Lord”.

As far as your reference to my statement to not refering to Catholics as being Christian I only used the same terms that Catholics themselves use. When I ask a Catholic if they are Christian they answer they are Catholic rather than Christian.

Once in a while I will watch Father Mitch P. (excuse my abbreviation I don’t know the correct way to spell his name).I enjoy listening to him and I really should not say this but I think he is kind of cute.

And just how many Protestant programs do you listen to?

I find this forum an enigma. You Catholics will say that they believe some Protestants are true believers and will go to heaven and yet they say they still need the fullness of the truth. What does that mean? In other words if they do not convert then they will go to hell…correct? Which is it CM? **“High” ** or “Low”?

 

[JB]

Alfie:

…What is your point in saying that ETWN is a private station? If Protestants can’t broadcast programs on ETWN than should church property be taxed?..

Irrelevant. The Catholic Church does not own EWTN. Therefore your example does not wash. It is void, null, and bogus.

 

[rayne89]

Alfie:

Michael Medved has a conservative talk program. It is not a religious program.Therefore your example does not wash. It is void, null, and bogus.

Wow that was rude, why such venom? I did say EWTN and our local Catholic radio are specifically Catholic, whereas the title Christian incompasses many denominations.

I don’t know any Catholics (and I know quite a few) whom don’t consider themselves Christians. Although I do know a few Christians who don’t consider Catholics to be Christians.

As far as Christian charity you could set a little better example-sheesh.

 

[Church_Militant]

Alfie:

Have you ever watched Sky Angel? It has over thirty radio and TV stations on it.

Nope. My cable system has EWTN, which is a channel that is Catholic. It carries the entire Eternal Word Television Network programming. That is what it is for. It is privately owned.

What is your point in saying that ETWN is a private station?

Private NETWORK. What are the “commercials” on there? Other shows on EWTN. It’s supported by Catholics.

If Protestants can’t broadcast programs on ETWN than should church property be taxed?

Trash… ever gear of religious freedom?!!

Sky Angel operates off of the DISH network. Evangelical Christians are raising money to buy their own satellite system so they will not be dependent on DISH network to broadcast. This is awesome. Pretty soon Sky Network will be broadcasting to almost every country in the world. This is the “Great Commission” to preach the gospel to all the world. “Praise the Lord”.

Peachy keen for them! That will work really well except for the poor who don’t have access to electricity or dish TVs or maybe even enough food to eat. Fat lot of good it will do them.

As far as your reference to my statement to not refering to Catholics as being Christian I only used the same terms that Catholics themselves use. When I ask a Catholic if they are Christian they answer they are Catholic rather than Christian.

Bunk… you twist what Catholics tell you to suit yourself, and every blessed one of us that have interacted with you on here has seen it again and again. Catholic IS Christian. The first Christians and the ones that have been here for 2,000 years and will be here doing battle with the devil until Jesus returns.

So I guess you are not a Christian…since your profile reads as follows:

Religion:
Evangelical

Sure do hate it for you. You need to make up your mind Alfie. The same rules must apply to everyone when it comes to terminology or is it just that you choose to twist things and be bigoted when it comes to Catholics?

Once in a while I will watch Father Mitch P. (excuse my abbreviation I don’t know the correct way to spell his name).I enjoy listening to him and I really should not say this but I think he is kind of cute.

Forget it! Fr. Pacwa is outta your league on so many levels it ain’t even funny. Please don’t e-mail him and tell him all the junk you say about the Catholic Church. You’ll just embarrass yourself worse than you do on here every time you post.

And just how many Protestant programs do you listen to?

None if I can help it! I had my share of that for over 34 years and then I get to come in here and read your posts and wonder just how anyone with a clear and honest conscience can be shown the facts so many times and still insist on clinging to the ignorant errors that you do.

I need “protestant” or n-C programs like I need a hole in my head. I’m into TRUTH, supported by FACTS, not someone’s new wind of doctrine based on something that he thinks the Bible says. Especially when he starts off from the error of Sola Scriptura and builds all his other beliefs and teachings on that error. I don’t need that much confusion in my life. :nope:

I find this forum an enigma. You Catholics will say that they believe some Protestants are true believers and will go to heaven and yet they say they still need the fullness of the truth. What does that mean? In other words if they do not convert then they will go to hell…correct? Which is it CM? **“High” **

or “Low”?I wouldn’t be so flip about this Alfie. If we are right and you choose to reject the fullness of truth after learning it the that’s on you.

How many times have I and my fellow Catholics on here shown you that you are dead wrong about what you think that we believe and then shown you that what you believe is not supported by the Word of God or by the early church and the people who gave their lives for real New Testament Christianity? Yet you refuse to accept what we share with you in good faith? Why? Just because we’re Catholics and there is “no way in hell” that we are right about anything? That’s insane!

And IF we are right, then if you reject the truth, you will have to answer for that to the Lord. It’s not my place to judge you. You’re not my servant.

I have no idea what you mean with this “High or Low” junk.

Truth is truth Alfie and there is such a thing as absolute truth. If you lack the courage and integrity to get the facts and decide for yourself then all this discussion is for naught, but if you have to account to God over it then…

Am I on your “wire” again yet?

Galatians 4:16 Am I then become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

 

[QuicumqueVult]

Once in a while I will watch Father Mitch P. (excuse my abbreviation I don’t know the correct way to spell his name).I enjoy listening to him and I really should not say this but I think he is kind of cute.

Fr Mitch Pacwa. A professor and scholar of the first rank.

Please adduce one logical reason why a Roman Catholic television network (ie, EWTN), funded entirely by Roman Catholic faithful, is ethically compelled to grant ANY, let alone equal, time to programmes that do not affirm the unique, or at least the primary, authenticity of Roman Catholicism amidst the plethora of Christian organisations.

I’m baffled…

 

[Church_Militant]

Good point QV! And then that same point will certainly apply to us here at CAF!

 

[Alfie]

QuicumqueVult:

Fr Mitch Pacwa. A professor and scholar of the first rank.

Please adduce one logical reason why a Roman Catholic television network (ie, EWTN), funded entirely by Roman Catholic faithful, is ethically compelled to grant ANY, let alone equal, time to programmes that do not affirm the unique, or at least the primary, authenticity of Roman Catholicism amidst the plethora of Christian organisations.

I’m baffled…

Did you read my entire post? In it I stated that here had been a gentleman on ETWN who said he complained to some Protestant radio stations about the lack of Catholic programing on them. They then added some Catholic programs to their stations. I live in the Pittsburgh area and our local Christian radio station has some Catholic programing on it which I object to since I have donated to the station in the past. On the talk radio portion of the station there was a host by the name of Marty Minto who was fired from the station because of some remarks he made about John Paul after his death. He was fired because he made a comment to the effect that no one knows for sure whether John Paul went to heaven. He got fired for that remark. To much pressure from the local Catholics. In one of the thread topics on this forum there was a disscussion about some of the popes and how not all of them were in heaven. So what is the big deal when a protestant makes a comment about the pope and the admission on this forum that not all of the popes are in heaven?

 

[Alfie]

Church Militant:

Good point QV! And then that same point will certainly apply to us here at CAF!

Why can’t I be on this forum? This is entirely different than having me on one of your Catholic radio or TV programs. So lighten up. This is a disscussion group not Nurenberg.

 

[Church_Militant]

Alfie:

Why can’t I be on this forum? This is entirely different than having me on one of your Catholic radio or TV programs. So lighten up. This is a disscussion group not Nurenberg.

Don’t misconstrue what I mean.

This is a private forum, with it’s own rules for it’s members.

Because it’s a private forum, they have the right to choose how to run it, and you are wrong to attempt to make it appear that I said that you shouldn’t be here. I personally am glad you are so that you can get the facts about the Catholic faith and not persist in the misinformation and anti-Catholic rhetoric that you have been fed by someone.

So long as you abide by the rules here, I’m happy to have you around. You may try our patience, but I’m a lot more tough than that. :whacky:

Everybody is your enemy here though and no one loves you so I guess maybe ya wanna go outside and eat worms or something?
Pax tecum,

 

[Orionthehunter]

Alfie:

Why can’t I be on this forum? This is entirely different than having me on one of your Catholic radio or TV programs. So lighten up. This is a disscussion group not Nurenberg.

From Alfie: I live in the Pittsburgh area and our local Christian radio station has some Catholic programing on it which I object to since I have donated to the station in the past.

So you’d think it ok if because of CAF primarily supported by Catholics that it ok if we asked you to leave? I don’t advocate it but such a position seems to be consistent w/ your position regarding your Christian station.

Do you think that maybe they chose to allow some Catholic Christian programming because their mission is to be a Christian station without favor to a particular religion and they felt that it meant that it required programming for multiple Christian religions?

At least it is clear that the station doesn’t agree with you that Catholics aren’t Christians.

 

[Church_Militant]

Orionthehunter:

At least it is clear that the station doesn’t agree with you that Catholics aren’t Christians.

My point exactly!

I have yet to get from Alfie a definitive as to what makes her certain that we are not Christians.

She has pointed out that some of us answer her question “Are you a Christian/saved?” with “I’m a Catholic”, which seems to her mind to indicate that we don’t see them as synonymous.

Yet her own profile seems to set a double standard when it says

Religion:
Evangelical

and not “Christian”. Why does she not see a conflict in that practice when she will not allow it for others if the terms carry the same meaning? :ehh:
Pax vobiscum,

 

[DiZent]

I listen to Christian radio stations that have no Catholic programming - because I like the music. Many of the talk shows are also good, but I turn the channel on some of the preachers - and I don’t give financial support. INSP, Hallmark and PBS do broadcast the Mass, but little else in the way of Catholic programming. I can’t get EWTN or any Catholic radio without subscribing to digital cable or satellite radio - except on the internet.

I have many Protestant friends - from different denominations. By their own definitions, Catholics are Christian, and are saved - we accept Jesus Christ as our Savior.

 

[wisteria]

Alfie:

He was fired because he made a comment to the effect that no one knows for sure whether John Paul went to heaven. He got fired for that remark.

A simple search for “Marty Minto” on google.com reveals that you are either misinformed or you are disingenuous on this point.

He was NOT fired for “that remark.”

He spent the week of the Holy Father’s death discussing various aspects of his beliefs and practice that Minto believed just might interfere with the Holy Father going to heaven - devotion to Mary, purgatory, intercession of the saints, etc.

To much pressure from the local Catholics.

Again, a misstatement of the fact.

The owner of that local station attempts to support the Christian church in its entirety and does not desire to engage in denominational theology.

This is according to its own statement.

 

[Alfie]

wisteria:

A simple search for “Marty Minto” on google.com reveals that you are either misinformed or you are disingenuous on this point.

He was NOT fired for “that remark.”

He spent the week of the Holy Father’s death discussing various aspects of his beliefs and practice that Minto believed just might interfere with the Holy Father going to heaven - devotion to Mary, purgatory, intercession of the saints, etc.

Again, a misstatement of the fact.

The owner of that local station attempts to support the Christian church in its entirety and does not desire to engage in denominational theology.

This is according to its own statement.

When Minto was interviewed about the situation he stated that he was fired for that reason along with other remarks he had made over the years criticizing the Catholic religion. I listened to his show on the week you are refering to and his show was swamped with angry Catholic callers. He was not nasty with his comments, he merely questioned Catholic doctrine and their ideas on salvation.

The station merely took the politically correct route to deal with the situation. I no longer listen to WORD radio out of Pittsburgh. I wrote a letter to WORD radio protesting their actions but to no avail. WORD out of Pittsburg has had a Catholic talk show on Saturday nights for a number of years.