Sub for the Nicene Creed

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At one of the Masses in our parrish the choir sings something in place of the Nicene Creed ,it follows the thought and meaning of the creed but it is published by OCP Publications The words are pasted in the front cover of the hymnal. I notice that very few people take part in this as opposed to when we recited the Creed of course this is accompanied by a piano and a drum. Does anyone have any thoughs about this and is it licit? :confused:
 
:hmmm: Hmm, never heard of the Creed being twisted, but I’ve been to parishes that have an “alternative” to the Gloria. I thought that a prayer was a prayer was a prayer. If set to music, it was no open to change. It’s disturbing to hear that it is affecting other prayers of the Mass.
 
If the priest says the entire unaltered creed while an alternative version is playing, it maybe ok, but I am not sure.

For example during a Solemn Mass, a priest will prompt the choir “Credo in unum Deum”, then the priest will quickly finish the creed while the choir slowly chants it.
 
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:hmmm: Hmm, never heard of the Creed being twisted, but I’ve been to parishes that have an “alternative” to the Gloria. I thought that a prayer was a prayer was a prayer. If set to music, it was no open to change. It’s disturbing to hear that it is affecting other prayers of the Mass.

I’ve been to Masses where they have substituted the Gloria (using the chorus from The Battle Hymn of the Republic), and where they have sung versions that were somewhat changed - but the two parishes where that is commonly done made the mistake of doing so when the bishop was there. He let them know in no uncertain tems that they were allowed to sing the Gloria (except for certain approved versions) ONLY if it is followed by the “liturgical Gloria” (the Bishop’s term). Otherwise, they are not to make any changes in the prayer. (I love this bishop.) :clapping:

As for the Creed. the only changes I have observed (at the same parish) (and I’m not sure this is acceptable or not) is the substitution of the Apostles Creed in place of the Nicene Creed. This started a few years ago when the Council of Bishops (here in PR) changed Creemos (We believe) to Creo (I believe). However, they also emphasized that the rest of the creed was to remain the same.

John
 
I’m fairly certain the Nicene Creed must be said unaltered at the Mass. The only exception I have heard of is the substitution of the Apostle’s Creed, during Advent, I think.
 
I believe that the Apostles Creed is acceptable only for “Children’s” Masses in the USA.

In Canada, I believe that it is acceptable to replace the Nicene Creed with the Apostles Creed at any time.
 
Last weekend I attended a Mass in another diocese, and it was Mission Sunday. The missionary gave a fairly long (and convoluted, IMO) homily.

When he was done, he commended us on being so nice for listening to him. As our “reward,” we didn’t “have” to say the Creed. I quote: “If we don’t know what we believe by now, one more time isn’t going to help.”

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You might find this helpful…

If you look at the liturgical documents on the usccb website…
usccb.org/liturgy/current/index.htm

In the GIRM on the USCCB website…
usccb.org/liturgy/girm/

*"The Profession of Faith

** 67**. The purpose of the Symbolum or Profession of Faith, or Creed, is that the whole gathered people may respond to the word of God proclaimed in the readings taken from Sacred Scripture and explained in the homily and that they may also call to mind and confess the great mysteries of the faith by reciting the rule of faith in a formula approved for liturgical use, before these mysteries are celebrated in the Eucharist.

** 68**. The Creed is to be sung or said by the priest together with the people on Sundays and Solemnities. It may be said also at particular celebrations of a more solemn character.

If it is sung, it is begun by the priest or, if this is appropriate, by a cantor or by the choir. It is sung, however, either by all together or by the people alternating with the choir.

If not sung, it is to be recited by all together or by two parts of the assembly responding one to the other.* "

In the most recent document addressing leturgical abuses…
usccb.org/liturgy/documents/instructioneng.htm

69. In Holy Mass as well as in other celebrations of the Sacred Liturgy, no Creed or Profession of Faith is to be introduced which is not found in the duly approved liturgical books.

My only question is that in *Redemptionis Sacramentum, ***it is not completely clear what "duly approved liturgical books" are?

Anyone out there able to clarify this? Sometimes I think church documents purpusfully allow “wiggle room” by not being too specific.
 
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justme:
I believe that the Apostles Creed is acceptable only for “Children’s” Masses in the USA.

In Canada, I believe that it is acceptable to replace the Nicene Creed with the Apostles Creed at any time.
Thanks for the explanation.

Actually, however, if I understand what my Spiritual Director has told me, Puerto Rico is not part of the USCCB (except for observer status), we have our own Episcopal Council. I once mentioned it to my pastor, and asked what he thought. He told me it was acceptable (I think). His exact words were “The short form is acceptable.” But, what is the “short form”? Is it the Apostles Creed? or is it the form used in Baptism/Confirmation (“Do you believe…? Yes I believe.”)
 
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matthias:
what [are] "duly approved liturgical books" ?
Approved liturgical books would be liturgical texts (Sacramentary, Lectionary, Book of Gospels, etc) approved for use in an Episcopal Conference (such as the USA, Canada, etc.)
 
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jturnbull:
Does anyone have any thoughs about this and is it licit?
I have a thought: find a new parish.

We started a schism a thousand years ago by adding one word to the Creed (well, there were other issues too…).

Jason
 
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