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MrS
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and if we let up in the current war efforts, and stop realizing and pronouncing how evil the enemy really is, they will not stop until they have totally vanquished every non Muslim.
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Mijoy2
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Seems to me they are not going to stop either way.
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vern_humphrey
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We had that problem with the Germans and Japanese. It’s all in how you “explain” it to them.http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon12.gif
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Mijoy2
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vern humphrey:
We may see thier faith as wrong. But, obviously they see it as truth. They are equally as unlikely to walk away from thier beliefs as we are of ours (I would think). This is why I see no apparent end to this conflict. Till “the end”.
There is a bit of difference Vern. Where religion is concerned I believe there is a much lesser likelihood we can change thier mind.
We may see thier faith as wrong. But, obviously they see it as truth. They are equally as unlikely to walk away from thier beliefs as we are of ours (I would think). This is why I see no apparent end to this conflict. Till “the end”.
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vern_humphrey
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Both Nazism and Bushido were quasi-religions. Yet we managed to change the minds of the Germans and Japanese.
You seem to be arguing that Islam compels them to murder people and commit acts of terrorism. It doesn’t.
You seem to be arguing that all Muslims are murderers and terrorists. They aren’t.
There have been more Muslims killed fighting on our side in this war than Americans.
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vern humphrey:
As far as the “some”, I was under the impression it was the devout, or orthodox, those who take the word of Allah most literal. Whom would be the least unlikely to have a change of heart.
Where am I mistaken? I will be happy to be corrected.
I’m hardly an expert so I wish to avoid a debate. However, yes, I am under the impression that Islam comples some Muslims to murder people and commit acts of terrorism. I thought there has been ample evidence of this.
As far as the “some”, I was under the impression it was the devout, or orthodox, those who take the word of Allah most literal. Whom would be the least unlikely to have a change of heart.
Where am I mistaken? I will be happy to be corrected.
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vern_humphrey
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How does Islam compel them?
In fact, the terrorists are hardly the most devout and orthodox! There are whole nations of Muslims who have no truck at all with terrorism.
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Mijoy2
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vern humphrey:
Interpretation of The Koran … no?
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vern_humphrey
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If you read the Bible, you will see commandments to kill everyone – at least in certain tribes.
Yet we Christians do not as a whole commit acts of terrorism.
Let me also point out that we would be affronted if a Muslim attempted to interpret the Bible for us. Let us follow the Golden Rule and not attempt to interpret the Koran for them.
And let us not brand all Muslims with the guilt of the acts of a few.
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mandolin
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Prager is lying. Germany and Japan were industrialized states. No Muslim country has the military resources of the United States or even comes close. The strange thing about Prager is that he denounces any attempt to curtail immigration. He is an enthusiast of open borders.There is a simple solution to the threat of militant islam. End muslim immigration to the west and end western business and military involvement in the muslim world.
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vern humphrey:
Having never read the Koran for myself, I have to assume I stand corrected.
You may be correct Vern. However I was under the belief that, in terms of commandments to kill, the Koran and the Bible were very much different.
Having never read the Koran for myself, I have to assume I stand corrected.
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vern_humphrey
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The Koran and the Bible are different – in a great many ways.
But Islam and the Koran doesn’t make terrorists out of men – and the proof of that is that there are many devout Muslims who are as horrified by terrorism as we are.
I attended British and Scottish schools in Egypt. By law, they had to teach the Koran.
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Lance
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Islam has been around much longer than Nazism or Communism, so in that respect they seem to be more of a danger. Yet I don’t think all Muslims want to force Islam upon us like all Nazis and Communist want(ed) to force their beliefs and political systems on us and do away with capitalism.
We have to convience the militant Muslims that there is no way they can defeat or convert us, that if need be we are willing to crush not only them but their supporters, their families and if need be their nations. We must make the price for continuing to wage terrorism against us more than they are willing to pay.
I also believe that once we, the industrialized nations, no longer need the oil from the middle east militant Islam will become much easier to control. With an all out effort we could eliminate our dependancy on middle east oil in the next 25 or 30 years.
We have to convience the militant Muslims that there is no way they can defeat or convert us, that if need be we are willing to crush not only them but their supporters, their families and if need be their nations. We must make the price for continuing to wage terrorism against us more than they are willing to pay.
I also believe that once we, the industrialized nations, no longer need the oil from the middle east militant Islam will become much easier to control. With an all out effort we could eliminate our dependancy on middle east oil in the next 25 or 30 years.
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Clonereject1138
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Now if only they could make them teach the Bible over here.
Most islamic oppressors and extreamists calime that the Koran has ordered them to carry out their barbarities, so we tend to take their word for it.
Most islamic oppressors and extreamists calime that the Koran has ordered them to carry out their barbarities, so we tend to take their word for it.
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vern_humphrey
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If you did that, the terrorists would use the Bible to justify their murderous acts. They are what they are.
By and large it is a mistake to believe enemy propaganda.
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Lance
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vern humphrey:
I believe you are right. I don’t think of OSB as a very religious man, just a bully. I think life for becomes easier if they can convience us that most Muslims back them. They are not only trying to convience us but people in the Islamic world too.
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I would agree the the title of the thread, although some of the arguments to support it might be different.
Those that want to kill us subscribe to a sect of Islam that is very literalist in the Quran interpretation, and the interpretation of the Hadith. If you read the Hadith, there are (3) things a true Muslim must do when confronting an Infidel:
Also, Germans and Soviets did not want to die. The cold war proved that the Soviets did not want to die. However, those Islamofacists that would kill us, don’t care if they die, because they will become martyrs, and receive their heavenly reward.
An enemy that does not care if he dies is more dangerous than an enemy who would like to kill you, but still wants to live.
Folks, we are in a world war right now, whether you want to believe it or not.
Those that want to kill us subscribe to a sect of Islam that is very literalist in the Quran interpretation, and the interpretation of the Hadith. If you read the Hadith, there are (3) things a true Muslim must do when confronting an Infidel:
- convert him
- subjugate him
- kill him
Also, Germans and Soviets did not want to die. The cold war proved that the Soviets did not want to die. However, those Islamofacists that would kill us, don’t care if they die, because they will become martyrs, and receive their heavenly reward.
An enemy that does not care if he dies is more dangerous than an enemy who would like to kill you, but still wants to live.
Folks, we are in a world war right now, whether you want to believe it or not.
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vern_humphrey
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I think OBL would be a murderous psychopath, no matter his religion, and that he would have some cause – religious or political – to justify it. Look at Carlos the Jackal – he was an athiest, and still a terrorist.
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