The Science Of Sexual Orientation

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The bedrooms of 9-year-old twins Adam and Jared couldn’t be more different. Jared’s room is decked out with camouflage, airplanes, and military toys, while Adam’s room sports a pastel canopy, stuffed animals, and white horses… Jared was eager to show her his G.I. Joe collection. “I have ones that say like Marine and SWAT. And then that’s where I keep all the guns for 'em,” he explained. Adam was also proud to show off his toys. “This is one of my dolls. Bratz baby,” he said.

Adam wears pinkish-purple nail polish, adorned with stars and diamonds. Asked if he went to school like that, Adam says, “Uh-huh. I just showed them my nails, and they were like, ‘Why did you do that?’” Adam’s behavior is called childhood gender nonconformity, meaning a child whose interests and behaviors are more typical of the opposite sex. Research shows that kids with extreme gender nonconformity usually grow up to be gay.

Danielle, Adam and Jared’s mom, says she began to notice this difference in Adam when he was about 18 months old and began asking for a Barbie doll. Jared, meanwhile, was asking for fire trucks. Not that much has changed. Jared’s favorite game now is Battlefield 2, Special Forces. As for Adam, he says, “It’s called Neopets: The Darkest Faerie.”

Asked how he would describe himself to a stranger, Jared says, “I’m a kid who likes G.I. Joes and games and TV.” “I would say like a girl,” Adam replied to the same question. When asked why he thinks that is, Adam shrugged.

“To me, cases like that really scream out, ‘Hey, it’s not out there. It’s in here.’ There’s no indication that this mother is prone to raise very feminine boys because his twin is not that way,” says Michael Bailey, a psychology professor at Northwestern University and a leading researcher in the field of sexual orientation.

Bailey says he doesn’t think nurture is a plausible explanation. Psychologists used to believe homosexuality was caused by nurture — namely overbearing mothers and distant fathers — but that theory has been disproved. Today, scientists are looking at genes, environment, brain structure and hormones. There is one area of consensus: that homosexuality involves more than just sexual behavior; it’s physiological.

cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/09/60minutes/main1385230.shtml
 
I don’t see where one isolated case proves or disproves anything.
 
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geezerbob:
I don’t see where one isolated case proves or disproves anything.
Just thought it was interesting…🙂
 
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FightingFat:
Just thought it was interesting…🙂
I wasn’t taking issue with you. I was taking issue with the “researcher” who stated that this one case proved that homosexuality was innate and not a product of environment.
 
This looks like junk science to me. First of all, the family life of these kids is never brought up (parents together, single mom, divorced…what?). Family information is conspicuously absent from the entire piece. Also notice that in the two (wow, that’s a truely scientific sampling) cases mentioned, both moms reinforce the ‘gay’ child’s identity. What is this with allowing a 9 year old boy to wear nail polish and stars??? No wonder these boys are confused.

Also notice the garbage of boys being a ‘foreign substance’ in the mother’s womb. Huh?! Nonsense. If you’re left-handed, right-handed and have other brothers, etc. All garbage. :whacky:

Lisa
 
I think there is only 1 case, not two. Anyway, mildly interesting read.
 
Well, I don’t see why poor Adam should be thrown to the wolves of the “gay lifestyle”. First of all, he may turn out to be heterosexual. Secondly, is it healthy that his identity consists only of “like a girl”? Would the opposite - “like a boy” be healthy either? Shouldn’t he have a sense of himself as an unique individual? And why should his peculiarities - inborn or not - condemn him to a life of promiscuity, drugs, and disease? Is that the best our society has to offer children like Adam? Is it right that at the age of 9, he should be used as a pawn and a political symbol? Or that his parents, no doubt because political correctness has taught them it is the right thing, encourage him to behave in ways that further alienate and stereotype him? I’m not saying he should be pushed into macho behavior like his brother; but can’t some men be gentle, artistic, nurturing etc. if that is their personality, and still be considered male? I just think it’s incredibly sad. Though there are certainly differences between the average man and the average woman, individual men and women vary a great deal. We each have our own unique personality, I believe, given to us by God and suited to serving Him in a particular way. That personality should be appreciated as it is - a boy like Adam is a unique boy, not a girl in a boy’s body - and, at the same time, should not be used as an excuse for sexual perversion, even if the temptation is innate. Because of the prominence of homosexuality in our society, everything is sexualized - close friendships between two men or two women; or personality traits more typical of the opposite sex, are all immediatly deemed “gay” and swept into that political movement. It permeates everything; everything is veiwed through a film of sexual perversion. Any one who feels an impulse in that direction is swept up; chastity, staying off that path of destruction, is never an option. I don’t think I’ve expressed myself very well - it’s hard to explain what I’m thinking - but it just strikes me as being cruel, and sad.
 
I think it would be more interesting to examine their parents who bought them all this paraphernalia.
 
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puzzleannie:
where is the dad in this story?
His absence is probably why the one kid ended up this way. The other one may not have been affected by it as much for whatever reason.
 
there is also the issue that it doesnt matter how SSA comes about, its still not okay. Lots of abnormalities are biologically caused, and we treat them.
 
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m134e5:
His absence is probably why the one kid ended up this way. The other one may not have been affected by it as much for whatever reason.
What if he’s just like that? Do you believe that’s impossible?
 
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Brain:
there is also the issue that it doesnt matter how SSA comes about, its still not okay. Lots of abnormalities are biologically caused, and we treat them.
That is truly the ‘bottom line’ of the debate.

if someone is born with a mental illness, does that make the mental illness normal? Should society ‘evolve’ around this illness? Should we make the person feel his illness is ‘normal’ and that it is ok to endulge in it? and what is the illness is being a psychopath?

Just because something is different; doesn’t mean you should condemn it. True. However, just because something is different, doesn’t mean its ok.
 
Does anyone remember some 25 years ago a “stone age” tribe was found in the Philippines? National Geographic went gaga over them – and it turned out to be a hoax by local villagers.
 
This report was done by CBS news, an organization that has a known liberal bias in the media. Notice the other byline stories off to the left: One is about same-sex parenting having no difference on children than opposite sex parenting. Read that story and just see how it is dripping with bias. There are plenty of studies (particularly out of Europe where this stuff has been happening for longer periods of time) that strongly suggest that children raised by same-sex parents do much worse in terms of mental health and healthy social relationships. The psychologist Richard Fitzgibbons has reported extensively on these findings. In terms of the issue of gender nonconformity and identity disorder, this has been addressed extensively by other researchers in the field (Joseph Nicolosi) and with early treatment, their gender abnormalities can be treated successfully and in many cases reversed. This latter point is something that gay activists are completely deaf to and they find the idea offensive. It’s no wonder they and the secular progressives will find any way they can to discredit the evidence.
 
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Flopfoot:
I think there is only 1 case, not two. Anyway, mildly interesting read.
The second one was towards the end of the piece and was mentioned only briefly as a ‘backup’ to the original and main ‘study’ (if one could call it that).
Just because something is different; doesn’t mean you should condemn it. True. However, just because something is different, doesn’t mean its ok.
I agree to a point with this statement. I find it strange, to say the very least, that the mother, IMO, encourages this behavior with nail polish and glitter stars. I’m sorry but that’s over the top for a 9 year old boy. They they try to make the point that nuture isn’t involved in Adam’s situation but then go out of their way to exclude info about his upbringing, childhood experiences thus far, family situation, etc. I know, I’m hung up on the nail polish, but it’s the only concrete example of nuture cited…the rest has been expunged. Curious. :hmmm: Not scientific at all, just a one-sided human interest story at best.
What if he’s just like that? Do you believe that’s impossible?
Impossible to draw a conclusion based on the poor evidence cited. We only know what the reporter wanted us to know about these twins.

Lisa
 
So he’d rather not have toys designed around things to kill people with. Horrible*.

*good for him
 
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Crow:
if someone is born with a mental illness, does that make the mental illness normal?

To the person WITH the illness–YES!

Should society ‘evolve’ around this illness? Should we make the person feel his illness is ‘normal’ and that it is ok to endulge in it?

You need to get some accurate information about mental Illness. It isn’t something that the afflicted “INDULGE” in by a long shot. It is something that they SUFFER with and endure.

and what is the illness is being a psychopath?

What if it is? People with mental illnesses have rights also.

Just because something is different; doesn’t mean you should condemn it. True. However, just because something is different, doesn’t mean its ok.

I think it is faulty thinking to lable mental illness the same as “individuality”.
 
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Liberalsaved:
So he’d rather not have toys designed around things to kill people with. Horrible*.

*good for him
Makes sense. I mean, for young boys (well the ones that I grew up with anyway) it wasnt the norm, but hey, to maintain an open mind you have to open to accepting things that arent the norm
 
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Crow:
That is truly the ‘bottom line’ of the debate.

if someone is born with a mental illness, does that make the mental illness normal? Should society ‘evolve’ around this illness? Should we make the person feel his illness is ‘normal’ and that it is ok to endulge in it? and what is the illness is being a psychopath?

Just because something is different; doesn’t mean you should condemn it. True. However, just because something is different, doesn’t mean its ok.
Of course defining something as a mental illness just because it’s different seems a bit extreme to me.

I know a kid (related to the autistic boy I sometimes talk about) who has lots of glittery things, bangles, a treasure chest of jewelry, and seems very effeminate to me. The parents say he’s happy and he doesnt get bullied, so let him develop as is natural for him. The family, BTW, has a high incidence of homosexuality and are very accepting.

Oddly, two of the familys’ gays are real macho-men. When I first met them I said “Wow, the straightest gay guys in the world!”

The immediate response was “Them,s fighting words where we’re from”.

If a kids a effeminate, so what? The world in not made up of little clones of mummy and daddy. Get over it.
 
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