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Tomyris
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I don’t recognize a distinction, as He who begins a good work will complete it. But for the sake of argument I will explore this.Let’s take the issue of prevenient grace out and just talk about subsequent grace (from the sacraments).
I think I can go along with this, to a point. One objection is that even if you save one hundred drowning children, and each is a worthy act, you still are culpable for all your other sins. The second is that even at our best there is still something fatally flawed in all we do. Even if it is the size of a gnat in a swimming pool, it is enough, as God demands purity. He will reckon works as good that aren’t good, by His grace.We can indeed do acts that are morally good without His grace, Tomy. These morally good acts, however, are not deserving of eternal reward, except through the intervention of God in His Grace.
ok…From the Council of Trent: (bold mine) "The Synod furthermore declares, that in adults, the beginning of the said Justification is to be derived from the prevenient grace of God, through Jesus Christ, that is to say, from His vocation, whereby, without any merits existing on their parts, they are called; that so they, who by sins were alienated from God, may be disposed through His quickening and assisting grace,
I find this enormously ambiguous.to convert themselves to their own justification, by freely assenting to and co-operating with that said grace: in such sort that, while God touches the heart of man by the illumination of the Holy Ghost,** neither is man himself utterly without doing anything while he receives that inspiration**, forasmuch as he is also able to reject it; yet is he not able, by his own free will, without the grace of God, to move himself unto justice in His sight. Whence, when it is said in the sacred writings: ‘Turn ye to me, and I will turn to you,’ we are admonished of our liberty; and when we answer; ‘Convert us, O Lord, to thee, and we shall be converted,’ we confess that we are prevented by the grace of God."
sounds like man is to arrogantly do the work of the Holy Spirit, which is the work of conversion. We certainly cannot convert ourselves.to convert themselves to their own justification,
I THINK this refers to prevenient grace. Or is the same situation continuing? In either case this can be read to be in agreement with Reformed theology, or, due to the ambiguity, other ways, such as that we have to save ourselves once we get a gift of prevenient grace,.yet is he not able, by his own free will, without the grace of God, to move himself unto justice in His sight