V for Vendetta (2006)

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I have not seen the movie yet, but there is no way it could have measured up to the graphic novel in the first place. The graphic novel is brilliant, and really does raise the question of terrorist or freedom fighter. This just looks awful.
Does anyone find their choice of actor for a “Big Brother” character ironic? How many people who auditioned had also played “Winston Smith?”
Oh well, maybe Scanner Darkly will be better.

Yours in Christ,
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matt1985:
I’ve read that the movie is not good. The Washington Post gave it a bad review.
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But do you really think that was a fair review? Come on. Please. Even before seeing the movie, I could tell that the person who wrote that review absolutely hated every moment of the film. They were so unmerciful, harsh and scathing that I found myself almost laughing the whole thing off, just because he was so incredibly biased against the film and actors from before he even saw it. I think this review is much better, far more balanced and fair.

So yes, I saw it last night. And no, I don’t think that it was “sick”. (Hostel is an example of a sick film; its trailers alone were enough to show that.) Overall, I thought this was pretty good.

The one thing (and only thing) that I absolutely hated about the film was the fact that one significant (supporting) theme actually ended up glorifying homosexuality. I mean, come on, of course I don’t agree that homosexuals should be imprisoned and executed, but I also don’t agree that their lifestyle should be held up as an example of something beautiful. These two (incorrect) extremes are not the only positions on the issue available…and since the film seems to miss that fact, it ultimately comes out on the wrong side in the end.

Fortunately, however, that wasn’t one of the main themes, so it wasn’t enough to completely ruin the film…but I simply can’t tell you how much more satisfied I would have been if they could have left all that junk out. It just wasn’t necessary (even if it was in the comics originally), and it only ended up (regrettably and unfortunately) damaging my opinion of the film.

But other than that, I would say that I enjoyed the film; there were plenty of positive elements, and plenty of other things to enjoy. And this, for anyone who might be interested, is the golden nugget of all tongue-tvvisters…a masterpiece (from the very beginning of the film) that you simply have to hear to believe:

“This visage, no mere veneer of vanity, is it vestige of the vox populi, now vacant, vanished, as the once vital voice of the verisimilitude now venerates what they once vilified. However, this valorous visitation of a by-gone vexation, stands vivified, and has vowed to vanquish these venal and virulent vermin vanguarding vice and vouchsafing the violently vicious and voracious violation of volition. The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous. Verily, this vichyssoise of verbiage veers most verbose vis-à-vis an introduction, and so it is my very good honor to meet you and you may call me V.”
 
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masterjedi747:
But do you really think that was a fair review? Come on. Please. Even before seeing the movie, I could tell that the person who wrote that review absolutely hated every moment of the film. They were so unmerciful, harsh and scathing that I literally found myself almost laughing the whole thing off, because he was so incredibly biased against the film, storyline and actors right from before he even saw it. I think this review is much better, more balanced and fair…especially from a Christian point of view.

So yes, I saw it last night. And no, I don’t think that it was “sick”. (Hostel is an example of a sick film; its trailers alone were enough to show that.) Overall, I thought this was pretty good.

The one thing (and only thing) that I absolutely hated about the film was the fact that one significant (supporting) theme actually ended up glorifying homosexuality. I mean, come on, of course I don’t agree that homosexuals should be imprisoned and executed, but I also don’t agree that their lifestyle should be held up as an example of something beautiful. These two (incorrect) extremes are not the only positions on the issue available…and since the film seems to miss that fact, it ultimately comes out on the wrong side in the end.

Fortunately, however, that wasn’t one of the main themes, so it wasn’t enough to completely ruin the film…but I simply can’t tell you how much more satisfied I would have been if they could have left all that junk out. It just wasn’t necessary (even if it was in the comics originally), and it only ended up (regrettably and unfortunately) damaging my opinion of the film.

But other than that, I would say that I enjoyed the film; there were plenty of positive elements, and plenty of other things to enjoy. And this, for anyone who might be interested, is the golden nugget of all tongue-tvvisters…a masterpiece (from the very beginning of the film) that you simply have to hear to believe:

“This visage, no mere veneer of vanity, is it vestige of the vox populi, now vacant, vanished, as the once vital voice of the verisimilitude now venerates what they once vilified. However, this valorous visitation of a by-gone vexation, stands vivified, and has vowed to vanquish these venal and virulent vermin vanguarding vice and vouchsafing the violently vicious and voracious violation of volition. The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous. Verily, this vichyssoise of verbiage veers most verbose vis-à-vis an introduction, and so it is my very good honor to meet you and you may call me V.”
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Seems like the PC bug has bitten you.
 
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bones_IV:
Seems like the PC bug has bitten you.
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EDIT: Nevermind, someone already answered my question…

I’m just telling you what I thought of it, as someone around here who has seen the film. You’re certainly welcome to disagree, but I’m also willing to discuss it further with you if you want to.
 
the movie makes loose connections between Nazism and Christianity. Don’t see the connection. It makes a bad protrayal of Christians as being a bunch of homophobic, racist, sexist biggots. It also gets the idea across that a state that outlaws homosexuality will lead to a Nazi state, is their argument. Strawman argument. The offensive part is where they use a Bishop who says he plays the “confession game”, and makes it look as if every bishop does it. I bet you that if it were a negative portrayal of Mohammed and Muslims, which in the movie there was none, the media would decry it.
 
Alright, fair enough. But here’s how I would respond:
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bones_IV:
the movie makes loose connections between Nazism and Christianity. Don’t see the connection.
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The connection lies in the fact that tt has to do with fascist government. Fascism is when conservatism is taken to an unhealthy extreme, just as Communism results when liberalism is taken to an unhealthy extreme. And like it or not, Hitler was born and raised Catholic…of course he didn’t practice his faith, but he still claimed to be Christian, and used that as one of his justifications to persecute Jews and homosexuals (like the British government in this film persecutes Moslems and homosexuals)…that’s where the connection comes in.
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bones_IV:
It makes a bad protrayal of Christians as being a bunch of homophobic, racist, sexist biggots.
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The corrupt leaders in the film don’t actually claim to be Christians. But it wouldn’t matter to me even if they did (just like Hitler did)…because I know that they’re not, and I can prove it. They might claim to be Christian, even imitate it in some ways, but that doesn’t mean that they are.
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bones_IV:
It also gets the idea across that a state that outlaws homosexuality will lead to a Nazi state, is their argument.
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Other way around. A Nazi/Fascist state is one that tends to outlaw homosexuality. And that’s just a fact, not an argument. If someone incorrectly reverses the logic, then I’d agree with you.
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bones_IV:
The offensive part is where they use a Bishop who says he plays the “confession game”, and makes it look as if every bishop does it.
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I didn’t get that idea at all. I got the impression that this bishop was a corrupt, sick and twisted individual…which, unfortunately, is possible and has happened before. But there’s nothing at all to indicate that all bishops act in this way, or even to attack the Church as a whole. It’s simply an attack against him as an individual…and after everything that he’s done (especially supporting his government’s human experimentation and terror policies), he certainly deserved it. He was a bad bishop…the exception, not the rule.
 
I haven’t seen the movie, but I wonder why everyone assumes that the evil bishop is Catholic. It would make more sense for him to be Anglican. Are there any specific cues that make people think he’s Catholic rather than Anglican?

Edwin
 
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Contarini:
I haven’t seen the movie, but I wonder why everyone assumes that the evil bishop is Catholic. It would make more sense for him to be Anglican. Are there any specific cues that make people think he’s Catholic rather than Anglican?

Edwin
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He is Anglican.

Yours in Christ,
Thursday
 
Whatever happened to the days when we could watch movies without fear of them having agendas? :mad:
 
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rocklobster:
Whatever happened to the days when we could watch movies without fear of them having agendas? :mad:
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I think there have always been agendas. If you look at the movies of the early 1940’s, they are always pro-war.

We just have to pick which agendas we will support.

PF
 
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Contarini:
I haven’t seen the movie, but I wonder why everyone assumes that the evil bishop is Catholic. It would make more sense for him to be Anglican. Are there any specific cues that make people think he’s Catholic rather than Anglican?
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To be honest, I assumed that he was Anglican the first time I saw the film…but there was nothing concrete that I noticed to tie it down one way or another. It was only in the reviews and commentaries that I read afterward that everyone seemed to assume that he was a Catholic Bishop…and perhaps they did have access to some behind-the-scenes information that I did not. His title was simply the “Bishop of England”…take that as you wish. But it doesn’t really matter…Catholic or Anglican, he was still a bad bishop/corrupted individual.
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bones_IV:
You’re committing a grave sin if you watch a movie like that.
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And what line of reasoning, may I ask, did you use to suddenly arrive at that conclusion? :rolleyes:
And all of the Christian/Catholic movie reviewers…did they commit grave sins by watching it?
 
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masterjedi747:
To be honest, I assumed that he was Anglican the first time I saw the film…but there was nothing concrete that I noticed to tie it down one way or another. It was only in the reviews and commentaries that I read afterward that everyone seemed to assume that he was a Catholic Bishop…and perhaps they did have access to some behind-the-scenes information that I did not. His title was simply the “Bishop of England”…take that as you wish. But it doesn’t really matter…Catholic or Anglican, he was still a bad bishop/corrupted individual.

And what line of reasoning, may I ask, did you use to suddenly arrive at that conclusion? :rolleyes:
And all of the Christian/Catholic movie reviewers…did they commit grave sins by watching it?
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They were previewing with the intent on telling the movie goers what exactly is bad in that movie. Previewing and then we have those who watch it for entertainment there’s a difference.
 
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bones_IV:
You’re committing a grave sin if you watch a movie like that.
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Really? To think I got such a great matinee for only $6.50 worth of sin! :rotfl:
 
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